BlackGold
Vital 1st Team Regular
Good point.
By cheating the standard course of events - non-parachute payments, promoted side - is relegation.
Hard to argue that our sporting integrity breach didn't result in a specific outcome.
FFP charges?
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By cheating the standard course of events - non-parachute payments, promoted side - is relegation.
Hard to argue that our sporting integrity breach didn't result in a specific outcome.
Mate I feel strongly about this one-I think our reputation is in tattersI told you to keep shaking your head and to stop talking until a semblance of sense emerges Toms
On the contrary when this lot hits the media tomorrow a few home truths may be aired.
pebble
Vital 1st Team Regular
On the other hand, if an appeal finds that we shouldn't be deducted any points, such moralising won't apply.
I agree with abiding by laws, but I also insist that laws serve a useful purpose and do what they say on the tin. I don't see how Forest have gone against the spirit of any rule designed to enhance profit and sustainability.
LynxRed
Vital Squad Member
Did Leicester fans give a shit when they won the Prem? Did anyone hark back to how they made a mockery of financial rules and dodged all punishment? Of course not. This is completely forgotten, if not next season then the one after. FFS, we lost far less than Everton, and we're out of P&S for a fat shorter period, yet the PL wanted us hit with an EIGHT point deduction? When Everton got 6?! Fucking insane.
Pope John XXIII
Vital Football Legend
Leicester have gotten away with it three times now, this will be their fourth
Absolutely valid Pope - there is no question. But sport is a rules based game and if rules are broken there are consequences, which in my opinion, we could have avoided and still stayed up. The "unfair element " is that in the knowledge that we were going to breach we still spent close to 45m in agents fees and transfers and wages etc in Jan 2023. That too me effectively said -sod everyone we'll take our chances. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the Prem went for 8 points because it was a blatant two fingers up to the system
Pope John XXIII
Vital Football Legend
I hadnt forgotten Lynx. Id just rather the club played by the rules as at 30th June
This is January 24 when we were crapping ourselves so did something to try and look like good boys...come on
BlackGold
Vital 1st Team Regular
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It's not clear if this projected loss this season for #NFFC of £12m to £17m is an overall loss, or a PSR loss (remember some costs are excluded from PSR calculations).If this is the PSR loss, then at the end of the season, Forest could be looking at a 3-year rolling loss of between £95m and £100m, which would be over the permitted loss of £83m.
If there is an appeal and the deduction is eradicated then that would have meant that the mitigations were completely valid and within the rules.
I've posted on here about Bairstow being run out by Carey. Within the rules but against the spirit of the rules . England lost that match and ultimately the Ashes
Marco Polo
Vital 1st Team Regular
Didn’t think you were bothered by people breaking rules? Why do you vote for people who consistently flaunt the rules set. Should they move on too?
Spot on...the much awaited guillotine has now fallen. The " unknown" is now known...let's concentrate on winning enough points to be clear if the bottom three. Everton used to be in the bottom three got a discount on their penalty nd they got out of the relegation zone... we can do the same...starting from the next round of matches after the break.
Pope John XXIII
Vital Football Legend
£47.5m for Johnson
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It's not clear if this projected loss this season for #NFFC of £12m to £17m is an overall loss, or a PSR loss (remember some costs are excluded from PSR calculations).If this is the PSR loss, then at the end of the season, Forest could be looking at a 3-year rolling loss of between £95m and £100m, which would be over the permitted loss of £83m.
£5m for Scarpa
£5m for Surridge
£25m for Mangala
£82m brought in there.
I would imagine the commission would not have written of the money we have brought in in such glowing terms if we were still in a position of breaching. You would imagine that if we were on course to breach yet again this would be noted as an aggrevating factor.
We'll also be selling Murillo at least this summer
weejockmcplop
Vital Champions League
D you think that if I concentrate on us winning lots of points, we will win lots of points?
Pope John XXIII
Vital Football Legend
If you don't want to talk about this, then I wonder why you've come onto a forum?
LynxRed
Vital Squad Member
@toms if the rules said "newly promoted sides are only allowed to field 9 players in a match day squad" would you just say "oh fair enough, rules is rules"?
This is akin to a boxer moving up a weight class, but only being allowed to gain 1/3rd of the weight difference per year.
Our squad was 1/10th the value of the cheapest squad and 1/100th the value of Man City's squad. Yet we were expected to somehow compete with all those teams, whilst only being allowed a little over half their spending power and starting from a drastically lower base.
It's not right, it's not fair, and I don't actually give a fuck from a moral stand point that we've broken those appalling rules.
This is akin to a boxer moving up a weight class, but only being allowed to gain 1/3rd of the weight difference per year.
Our squad was 1/10th the value of the cheapest squad and 1/100th the value of Man City's squad. Yet we were expected to somehow compete with all those teams, whilst only being allowed a little over half their spending power and starting from a drastically lower base.
It's not right, it's not fair, and I don't actually give a fuck from a moral stand point that we've broken those appalling rules.
BlackGold
Vital 1st Team Regular
End of Seasons:
2021/2022 = 61m loss, max loss 26m ---- rolling 3 year +/- = -35m
2022/2023 = 96m loss, max loss 61m ---- rolling 3 year +/- = -35m
2023/2024 = 108m loss (at best), max loss 83m ---- rolling 3 year +/- = £25m
So, we're reducing our overall debt, but we're gonna be hit with another points penalty next season if we avoid relegation.
Of course, if we can sell one of the young guns before 30 June for £30m or so, maybe we can dodge a PSR charge.
30m, how ironic...
2021/2022 = 61m loss, max loss 26m ---- rolling 3 year +/- = -35m
2022/2023 = 96m loss, max loss 61m ---- rolling 3 year +/- = -35m
2023/2024 = 108m loss (at best), max loss 83m ---- rolling 3 year +/- = £25m
So, we're reducing our overall debt, but we're gonna be hit with another points penalty next season if we avoid relegation.
Of course, if we can sell one of the young guns before 30 June for £30m or so, maybe we can dodge a PSR charge.
30m, how ironic...
Basha73
Vital Football Legend
In other words expect another points deduction next season if we are in the Prem. Huzzah!
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It's not clear if this projected loss this season for #NFFC of £12m to £17m is an overall loss, or a PSR loss (remember some costs are excluded from PSR calculations).If this is the PSR loss, then at the end of the season, Forest could be looking at a 3-year rolling loss of between £95m and £100m, which would be over the permitted loss of £83m.
