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Morning Trashbat, how do I follow a thread on this board? Well most of the people on my ignore list are usually so boringly predictable that there is no reason to listen to them. Secondly, coherent arguments on this board, are you are having a laugh. Example, GBN seems to be an resident expert on the benefits of Brexit and pontificates to the end of time, yet asks the most basic questions and gets shot down time and time again when it comes to facts. By the way, my ignore list only contains 5 contributors and one of those seems to have gone away.
 
Trashbat said:
Why are you no longer a business analyst?
How’s that for facts?
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I retired many moons ago.
Incidentally, thanks for reading what I actually wrote and replying with reasoned arguments, rather than mis-reading and replying with panic led rants, as some others on this board appear to do.!
 
Jerryattrick said:
What is sad is that MPs predominantly dont want a no deal as it will cause companies and jobs to go overseas. Similarily they blame brexit for the same thing.

What the f have they and voters been thinking over the past 50 years within both labour and conservatives.

British industry has been decimated mainly encouraged by successive governments. Where were these MPs or voters when each company went overseas or went broke? Where where they when our IT industry was mainly offshored?

We are talking of 100s of major companies and millions of jobs lost. Just medway lost 40 factories or industries with over 40,000 job losses.

If most of these brexiteers or remainers cared so much they should have spoken up over the years. Brexit is a diversion, the same people own us and our jobs irrelevant of being in or out of the eu.
Lets just sign the WA, get brexit over and change everything that is wrong with the country and stop allowing ourselves to divided.
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Exactly. Remainers on here, when they are not spouting their insulting abuse (I am not a blocking snowflake so bring it on) towards leavers and any public figure that happens to support leave (including two ex chancellors and one ex BOE Governor), try to infer that we have been in the arms of a benevolent organisation that has provided nothing but good for us over 40 years.

Anything good that has happened - its is the EU. Anything bad - it is the Government - nothing to do with the EU.

Any public figure that supports Leave has their appearance ridiculed - Mark Francois is just latest one. And yet we have another thread condemning bullying abuse !

Gills58 keeps bringing his brother in to it and yet says he is 65 years old and will be ruined by Brexit. I am sure he is a much nicer chap than 58 and I do feel for him but has he saved no money? made no pension provision? Has he made a conscious effort to only export? does he do no domestic trade? He sounds like he decided to max out his credit card and place all his money on a horse in the 2.30 at Kempton. Most canny business people have a flexible strategy and diversify their activities to mitigate risk. They adapt to a changing world.

Some businessmen would probably have claimed they would be ruined by the last VAT increase. Any changes and they are doooooomed !
 
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Wansalarf said:
I retired many moons ago.
Incidentally, thanks for reading what I actually wrote and replying with reasoned arguments, rather than mis-reading and replying with panic led rants, as some others on this board appear to do.!
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As others have said, welcome to the board. It gets quite funny in the end, but you have to have a thick skin.
 
RotherhitheGill said:
Example, GBN seems to be an resident expert on the benefits of Brexit and pontificates to the end of time, yet asks the most basic questions and gets shot down time and time again when it comes to facts. By the way, my ignore list only contains 5 contributors and one of those seems to have gone away.
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I have never claimed to be an expert and I do ask some questions as I do not claim to know it all. It is your interpretation that I get "shot down" and you are entitled to it in the tolerant society I adhere to.

If you check, I think you will find that I have admitted that we will be a bit worse off financially when we first leave, while we adapt, but remainers only ever see financial benefits/pitfalls rather looking at the whole picture. Strangely capitalistic approach by all those who claim to be socialists

I think if you are looking for claimants to the "resident expert" title, you are clearly aiming wide of the real target.
 
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RotherhitheGill said:
Morning Trashbat, how do I follow a thread on this board? Well most of the people on my ignore list are usually so boringly predictable that there is no reason to listen to them. Secondly, coherent arguments on this board, are you are having a laugh. Example, GBN seems to be an resident expert on the benefits of Brexit and pontificates to the end of time, yet asks the most basic questions and gets shot down time and time again when it comes to facts. By the way, my ignore list only contains 5 contributors and one of those seems to have gone away.
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Haha.

I was just fishing for a reply to make sure I wasn’t one of the 5.

Phew!

Please don’t block me!
 
Wansalarf said:
I retired many moons ago.
Incidentally, thanks for reading what I actually wrote and replying with reasoned arguments, rather than mis-reading and replying with panic led rants, as some others on this board appear to do.!
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"Nothing's at stake". What an absurd thing to say whichever side of the Brexit argument one is on. How is one supposed to read that if not for what it is?

We are not going to die of starvation whatever the outcome but such a ludicrous and flippant remark deseved the response you got from some on here.

I suspect, like me you have a nice pension to rely on and needn't worry. I'm concerned for millions of others who are not as fortunate as me. GBN thinks I'm not nice for that. Oh well.

As for my brother, his pension was about to be his business assets which may go tits up, hence his legitimate concern. Heard a similar story on 5Live Wake up to Money yesterday. Business owner fearing going bust if there is no deal and saying his whole workshop voted Leave little realising it could cost them their jobs.

I suppose he's another person pesently trading in the EU who knows far less than an ex 'business analyst".
 
"A bit worse off when we first leave". Not according to guru Rees Mogg.

Good luck with your quest for "Socialism in One Country quest". I would honestly love to see the UK achieve it. Unfortunately I think we'll get eaten alive.
 
GillsBluenose said:
I have never claimed to be an expert and I do ask some questions as I do not claim to know it all. It is your interpretation that I get "shot down" and you are entitled to it in the tolerant society I adhere to.

If you check, I think you will find that I have admitted that we will be a bit worse off financially when we first leave, while we adapt, but remainers only ever see financial benefits/pitfalls rather looking at the whole picture. Strangely capitalistic approach by all those who claim to be socialists

I think if you are looking for claimants to the "resident expert" title, you are clearly aiming wide of the real target.
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The trouble with you is that it’s all about belief. Strangely I was brought up to rely on evidence. People used to believe that the plague came from witches poisoning wells. Thankfully the world has moved on from that. However, it only did so by moving away from hearsay and anecdote to relying on science, observation and evidence. There is plenty of evidence that we will be significantly worse off out of the EU. There is none of any substance that says we will be better off. So if some on here come out with airy fairy “don’t worry it will all turn out alright in the end” type comments, don’t be surprised if others counter that with actual evidence that it won’t.

ps I’ve never claimed to be an expert. However, what I do is listen to actual experts and not idiots like Mark Francois.
 
The other thing that Brexit achieves is if we do have a hard or soft Brexit. This country will almost certainly spend the next decade fighting the result whatever it is .While parliament will swing from the extreme right to the extreme left and back again as it is unlikely any government will be able to deal with the result .i would leave the country when I finally stop working. But I doubt it will be possible for anyone except the top 10 to 15% of society. No that will never include me nor almost anyone else who lives in Medway I would think.
 
Thanks for that waldo. If someone comes on here and says 'I believe that.......' without supplying any evidence, they should be called out every time.
 
It's funny. I always thought the word evidence applied to the present or past. Apparently it now applies for the future. Personally I would only call that forecasts but what do I know. I think somebody forecasted a nailed on emergency budget a while ago.

I think Mark Francois is OTT and gets too emotional. It doesn't mean that he does not have years of experience in political matters and that what he says is untrue.

Andrea Leadsom is in the cabinet and passionately wants people to accept May's deal but still said on Sunday that No Deal would not be the disaster so many remainers are saying and that provisions had been put in place to deal with it.

Nigel Lawson, Norman Lamont and Mervyn King all still say that a No Deal would be fine, even desirable. What were their fields of expertise and responsibility?

Personally, I would take their advice over JRM
 
GillsBluenose said:
It's funny. I always thought the word evidence applied to the present or past. Apparently it now applies for the future. Personally I would only call that forecasts but what do I know. I think somebody forecasted a nailed on emergency budget a while ago.

I think Mark Francois is OTT and gets too emotional. It doesn't mean that he does not have years of experience in political matters and that what he says is untrue.

Andrea Leadsom is in the cabinet and passionately wants people to accept May's deal but still said on Sunday that No Deal would not be the disaster so many remainers are saying and that provisions had been put in place to deal with it.

Nigel Lawson, Norman Lamont and Mervyn King all still say that a No Deal would be fine, even desirable. What were their fields of expertise and responsibility?

Personally, I would take their advice over JRM
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They are in the minority.
 
Trashbat said:
They are in the minority.
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Nogel Lawson lol. Great job he did eh? He's also a self proclaimed climate expert, denier of course. Knows more than Attenborough apparently. Norman Lamont? You are old enough to remember his disastrous spell as Chancellor.

Of that desperate group perhaps King is worth some note but compare him to Carney who is in post now and having to deal with it.
 
GillsBluenose said:
It's funny. I always thought the word evidence applied to the present or past. Apparently it now applies for the future. Personally I would only call that forecasts but what do I know. I think somebody forecasted a nailed on emergency budget a while ago.

I think Mark Francois is OTT and gets too emotional. It doesn't mean that he does not have years of experience in political matters and that what he says is untrue.

Andrea Leadsom is in the cabinet and passionately wants people to accept May's deal but still said on Sunday that No Deal would not be the disaster so many remainers are saying and that provisions had been put in place to deal with it.

Nigel Lawson, Norman Lamont and Mervyn King all still say that a No Deal would be fine, even desirable. What were their fields of expertise and responsibility?

Personally, I would take their advice over JRM
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I’d rather take the advice of the CBI, the TUC, the Institute of Directors, the Federation Of Small Businesses, the Treasury, the Bank of England, the NFU, the BMA, the Royal College of Nursing, the Royal College of Midwives, (to name but a few) and virtually every trade body in the UK over the views of Andrea Leadsom and a few commentators who are frankly past it. You consistently ignore the views of those who are almost 100% those who employ and create the wealth on which we all rely. How grotesquely irresponsible is that ?
 
GillsBluenose said:
I have never claimed to be an expert and I do ask some questions as I do not claim to know it all. It is your interpretation that I get "shot down" and you are entitled to it in the tolerant society I adhere to.

If you check, I think you will find that I have admitted that we will be a bit worse off financially when we first leave, while we adapt, but remainers only ever see financial benefits/pitfalls rather looking at the whole picture. Strangely capitalistic approach by all those who claim to be socialists

I think if you are looking for claimants to the "resident expert" title, you are clearly aiming wide of the real target.
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You never claimed to be an expert; you have asked the most fundamental questions about the EU/ international trade and yet you voted Leave as you thought it was the right thing to do. This attitude surely confirms that a second referendum should be held once we know the terms of Brexit (if ever) and know what we’re getting ourselves into.
 
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