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When have I not lived in the real world? I’ve never been a big conservative, just very none Labour.

There was no hidden agenda, wasnt insinuating u didnt live in the real world. Was genuinely pleased that soneone can think for themselves and didnt swallow the absolute BS that has been flying around. Good for you.
 
Well they clearly don’t because they’ve not been in power since 2010. They’re now virtuous party that have completely lost their identity. They jump on bandwagons to look good rather than actually represent ‘the many not the few’.
and its been 11 years of austerity since, as if that would have been the case under labour. Now expect another 11 years of covid debt that will see the public pay it all back with social cuts etc
 
There was no hidden agenda, wasnt insinuating u didnt live in the real world. Was genuinely pleased that soneone can think for themselves and didnt swallow the absolute BS that has been flying around. Good for you.
sure, he didnt vote for bumbling Boris did he?
 
Just out of interest given that COVID19 is in every country in Europe & we have this amazing vaccine roll out that wouldn’t have happened if we were still in the EUSSR

How is it we have loads & loads of empty shelves but there aren’t any across Europe?

It’s almost like it’s not to do with COVID at all, can’t think what else could’ve caused it.
 
and its been 11 years of austerity since, as if that would have been the case under labour. Now expect another 11 years of covid debt that will see the public pay it all back with social cuts etc

You’re making me defend a government I utterly despise.

Of course there’s going to be a crap unfair amount of debt needing to be paid back as a result of Covid…. What did you think was going to happen and what would Labour have done differently?

Also you’re peddling lockdown extensions and restrictions to continue that will kill business…. And then moaning about there being a debt to pay at the end? Make it make sense.
 
and its been 11 years of austerity since, as if that would have been the case under labour. Now expect another 11 years of covid debt that will see the public pay it all back with social cuts etc

And the rest. This will be much worse since there hasnt been anything left to cut for several years. Local authorities have been working off minimum statutory provision already.
 
You’re making me defend a government I utterly despise.

Of course there’s going to be a crap unfair amount of debt needing to be paid back as a result of Covid…. What did you think was going to happen and what would Labour have done differently?

Also you’re peddling lockdown extensions and restrictions to continue that will kill business…. And then moaning about there being a debt to pay at the end? Make it make sense.

dont turn into Strett and make up your own arguments. I advice safe continuation, masks etc, the same as day one.
The billions 'wasted' by these scammers is what you will paying back, to suggest others would have been as inept and outright crooked as this government is just pathetic.
 
dont turn into Strett and make up your own arguments. I advice safe continuation, masks etc, the same as day one.
The billions 'wasted' by these scammers is what you will paying back, to suggest others would have been as inept and outright crooked as this government is just pathetic.

What a stupid post.

Of course there was a huge deficit to be paid if you lockdown in some form for over a year - in what deluded world is that ‘pathetic’? Thousands of businesses were literally stopped and millions on furlough…. That’s a consequence of locking down and as such a big bill. I haven’t denied they’ve wasted any money, but the suggestion that we wouldn’t be economically screwed if not for that is stupid.

And regardless of what your rationale is for wanting to wear masks and socially distance, it comes with economic consequence. That’s entire sectors like night clubs ruined and never returning with that permanent policy.

Just because it’s not a sector you care about or impacts you doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or impact thousands of others… and again cost hundreds of millions to the economy.

That’s fine that you have your view on Covid and how we should proceed, that’s your opinion…. But don’t call a very valid argument pathetic because you don’t want to hear the other side of the devastation.
 
Masks?

Standard face coverings are just "comfort blankets" that do little to reduce the spread of Covid particles, a scientist has said.
Dr Colin Axon, who has advised the government on minimising the risk of cross-infection in supermarkets, accused medics of presenting a "cartoonish" view of how how tiny particles travel through the air.
He warned some cloth masks have gaps which are invisible to the naked eye, but are 5,000 times the size of viral Covid particles.
"The small sizes are not easily understood but an imperfect analogy would be to imagine marbles fired at builders' scaffolding, some might hit a pole and rebound, but obviously most will fly through," he told The Telegraph.
The mask debate has been reignited this week after the Government published 'Freedom Day' guidance recommending their continued use. It led to Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, enforcing their continued use on the London Underground.
Dr Axon said the public need to be offered a wider view of the science behind face masks, rather than the "partial view" of information being pushed by medics over their effectiveness.
'Medics have a cartoonish view of how the world is'
"Medics have this cartoonised view of how particles move through the air - it's not their fault, it's not their domain - they've got a cartoonish view of how the world is," he said.
"Once a particle is not on a biological surface it is no longer a biomedical issue, it is simply about physics. The public has only a partial view of the story if information only comes from one type of source. Medics have some of the answers but not a whole view."
Dr Axon, Brunel University's senior lecturer in engineering, said that the true mechanisms involved are best evaluated through science.
"When the particle enters another body it returns to a biomedical issue but the mask debate is about the particle journey," he said.
"Masks can catch droplets and sputum from a cough but what is important is that SARS CoV-2 is predominantly distributed by tiny aerosols."

Dr Axon said that medics were "unable to comprehend" the miniscule elements at play, adding: "A Covid viral particle is around 100 nanometres, material gaps in blue surgical masks are up to 1,000 times that size, cloth mask gaps can be 5,000 times the size."
Dr Axon, whose report on ventilation in supermarkets was used by both Nervtag and Sage to aid decisions, says that medics "cannot have it both ways" over asymptomatic spread.
He added: "Not everyone carrying Covid is coughing, but they are still breathing, those aerosols escape masks and will render the mask ineffective."
Droplets from coughs are much larger, and more likely to be stopped by a properly used mask, Dr Axon says. An Oxford study last summer concluded that masks were "effective" in reducing the spread of the virus.
'We are entrenching bad behaviour'
However, other studies have cast doubt on their effectiveness. A subsequent Danish study involving 6,000 people concluded that there was no statistical difference in infection spread in non-wearers, while data on US states with non-mandated usage failed to show a correlated uptick in cases.
"The public were demanding something must be done, they got masks, it is just a comfort blanket," Dr Axon noted. "But now it is entrenched, and we are entrenching bad behaviour.
"All around the world you can look at mask mandates and superimpose on infection rates, you cannot see that mask mandates made any effect whatsoever.
"The best thing you can say about any mask is that any positive effect they do have is too small to be measured."
 
Everywhere I go now masks are about 50/50.

I am really skeptical that that do anything. I know that when I'm wearing it, the thing is doing fuck all for me.

I'm still predominantly wearing it at the moment just in case other people feel more secure for it. I don't particularly believe it's making any difference. I hate it and always have
 
While the Brexit anti vax, anti maskers, anti RNLI are not answering simple questions here’s another one

Why is it American special forces aren’t microchipped? They have a budget just for the army that is nearly what half the rest of the world spend? If these microchips Bill Gates is putting in everyone are so good, how come special forces are always getting lost? You’d have thought they could afford it & people like Marcus Lutterull would have it? It’d make battles so much easier, the mind control could possibly even make them better fighters