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strettea red said:
The YTS was a poor scheme.
The current apprentice program is very good.
All companies that have an annual pay bill of over £3m have to pay the apprenticeship levy, so it starts to make economic sense to set on apprentices.
Smaller companies, who do not pay the apprenticeship levy share the cost of training and assessing their apprentices with the government.
For new apprenticeships the company pay 5% towards the cost of apprenticeship training. The government will pay the rest.

I wish schools would push these more when discussing options for leaving students.
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That does sound good % wise tho you didn't say what the apprentice will earn? Minimum wage?
 
mao tse tung said:
Yes Bash, but look at the levels of debt that there is; how many people are buying life's luxuries on borrowed money?

When you look at the levels of debt being reported it is frightening; and that is without including the debt which Students are saddled with after leaving University
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Spot on. People should consider the implications- the why people use borrowed money is obvious but also goes deep. The how people use borrowed money is also obvious and goes deeper still.

Its not by accident is it.
 
Old Red Fart said:
Interesting stuff radford and I'm still not too old to learn. First off though the cap don't fit and second is the fact that in a general sense these days each generation is better off than the previous one. It's obvious that my generation is older than yours and I'm prepared to bet that yours was a bit wealthier than mine. Also that peer pressure has always been important, perhaps more so now than it used to be as these kids earn more, over here anyway. A good example would be my eldest son who owns and operates a thriving plumbing business employing 14 people. He also has 2 sons and I remember the ruckus when he insisted that they complete an apprenticeship each, which they have now done, the eldest is an electrician and the youngest a builder. They will both end up with their own business and it's all due to listening to their father who'd been there and done that. Not every kid gets that sort of advice, I certainly didn't. And I dispute your comment on the effect that old people have on the current generation, you possibly haven't taken into account peer pressure which has a huge effect. You sound like a family man, may I ask how your experience with kids has gone?
I'm enjoying reading the variation in opinions on this subject and am always happy yo learn.

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we are a big family and were in the bottom decile for income. Where we were better off was in terms of social mobilty- that is to say the ability to move up through better opportunities. I have, but i was the only one.

Yup im a parent but we'd need another fred for that lol. What i will say tho is although peer pressure is a relevant factor to both children and adults, parents are by far and away (wanted to say home and away) the biggest variable in child development. Indeed they are hardwired that way.

Thus poorly adjusted/behaviour kids are a statement about the parenting they have enjoyed/endured. A bit like telling an owner through their dog.

Your story does you credit, if not your generation 🤣🤣
 
radfordinlondon said:
we are a big family and were in the bottom decile for income. Where we were better off was in terms of social mobilty- that is to say the ability to move up through better opportunities. I have, but i was the only one.

Yup im a parent but we'd need another fred for that lol. What i will say tho is although peer pressure is a relevant factor to both children and adults, parents are by far and away (wanted to say home and away) the biggest variable in child development. Indeed they are hardwired that way.

Thus poorly adjusted/behaviour kids are a statement about the parenting they have enjoyed/endured. A bit like telling an owner through their dog.

Your story does you credit, if not your generation 🤣🤣
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Thanks, enjoyed reading that and tend to agree,, I'm still working on the generation business but think it may have no agreeable ending!
 
paz1967 said:
That does sound good % wise tho you didn't say what the apprentice will earn? Minimum wage?
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I can’t comment on other companies but we (assuming they are below 18, which most are) pay above minimum wage for their age range, then 15% increase every year until they graduate.
 
theres a minimum wage based an age? Is it cheaper to buy food, transport, clothes and rents etc when you're younger?
 
radfordinlondon said:
Spot on. People should consider the implications- the why people use borrowed money is obvious but also goes deep. The how people use borrowed money is also obvious and goes deeper still.

Its not by accident is it.
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government still actively supports the rape of those struggling financially. Look how theres a bookmaker in every poor area or look at these payday loan type issues. who the hell needs a loan of 200 quid? Poeple who are struggling, thats the only user; and theyre charged literally 1000% interest in some case. Shameful.
 
da fuq said:
I see the Red Tories are now showing their outrage was just faux outrage about antisemitism

Not surprised at all

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news...ZfHE5tK4gzsbyxKnzdXDUBmSlL7iglIA6V2KkR62bz2pM
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Weak by Starmer.

He is doing the same as for Long Bailey, who was sacked for refusing to delete and apologise after being ordered to. But he should have sacked her for the tweet, not the defiance. Sheerman does not have a cabinet job to be sacked from, so he cannot do the same as with Long Bailey anyway.

He needs to develop a real disciplinary procedure and a consequence for MPs who don't have jobs they can be sacked from. He can't withdraw the whip and force by elections every time it happens; thanks to your lot, Labour doesn't have enough MPs that we can afford to lose them.

But its no good sacking front benchers but being unable to take action against ordinary MPs
 
I'm a little disappointed in Starmer, but I can see where he's coming from. If you remove the context, it actually seems reasonable in terms of who was/wasn't undermining his leadership.

Unfortunately he's just giving ammo to the lefties to keep fighting the war for Labour that should never have been a war to begin with.

This isn't how you bring Labour together, and makes me worry that that isn't what he wants.

He absolutely can't go into the next election with half of Labour briefing against him like Corbyn did.
 
i am a tree said:
I'm a little disappointed in Starmer, but I can see where he's coming from. If you remove the context, it actually seems reasonable in terms of who was/wasn't undermining his leadership.

Unfortunately he's just giving ammo to the lefties to keep fighting the war for Labour that should never have been a war to begin with.

This isn't how you bring Labour together, and makes me worry that that isn't what he wants.

He absolutely can't go into the next election with half of Labour briefing against him like Corbyn did.
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Its' not half of Labour IMHO

Labour are supposed to be a left party

Not centrist or right of centre

The likes of Nye Bevan and Keir Hardie would be disgusted at what the values are now

Labour are the Red Tories
 
da fuq said:
Its' not half of Labour IMHO

Labour are supposed to be a left party

Not centrist or right of centre

The likes of Nye Bevan and Keir Hardie would be disgusted at what the values are now

Labour are the Red Tories
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That is as far left as this country is ever going to accept
 
Pope John XXIII said:
That is as far left as this country is ever going to accept
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Mmmmmm

I seem to remember John Smith being very popular and was looking like it would be the one time a party was going to win with out the Sugar Daddy of Rupert M

Then Labour only being only 2,500 votes away from winning after the centrists with in the party had already been the evil fuckers sabotaging the party from within

I tell you one thing Labour will not get in again for a while now


You reap what you sow

Pope you really are by all metrics a Tory voter

Just get over your historical family ties with a socialist caring party and vote how you feel and what you believe in
 
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