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Not to mention the astounding hypocrisy of removing the whip from backbenchers who vote against the executive over brexit. They should show done consistency and be removing it from themselves.
This is what happens when a puppet pm is put there by unelected bureaucrats like Dominic Cummings who have an unaccountable agenda that does not align with the best interests of the British people.
 
in_the_top_one said:
And this.
This, right here, is quite blatantly the mark of a dictatorship.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49541942

We don't want parliament to have a day so we will shut it down.
If we can't shut it down we will ignore the legislation it makes.

Oh my goodness. We live in frightening times, gentlemen.
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There will be nothing done that's illegal , as there are at least three court cases. You talk about "we need to talk" like they haven't been talking. Because of the Remoaners the EU still think we won't leave, so they won't talk . Things are unclear because the Remainers (May/Hammond) never even bothered telling the EU we were leaving , deal or no deal, despite what she said to the British Public ! After the referndum we should have been legally obliged to leave. Cameron told us that he would enact the outcome of the referendum, and that should have been legally binding.

Starting a negotiation with "we want to leave, but if you make it hard for us we will stay in " is hardly a negotiation. The lack of clarity comes down to the fact with 8 weeks to go we are still arguing about whether we will leave.

I worked for a company that imported product from the EU and Asia. The shippers completed the documentation for the Asian stuff with no problems. Anyone would think the World finishes on 31st October. Whatever we do we need to sort things. Another six month delay, followed by another and another gets us nowhere. If there is an election, Boris needs to get rid of the Hammonds, Grieves etc otherwise even if Boris wins we could end up with a clear Conservative Majority and get nowhere for another five years. If JC wins, of course he will go over and negotiate his own version of Leave, or maybe one of the others will decide to have a second referendum, or maybe just stay (or maybe they'll actually tell the electorate before the vote)

We certainly do live in frightening times. Where the deluded JC thinks he won the last election and calls for civil unrest so he can be PM, where democratic referendums are overturned by two-faced politicians (though they're nearly all as bad).
 
in_the_top_one said:
Not to mention the astounding hypocrisy of removing the whip from backbenchers who vote against the executive over brexit. They should show done consistency and be removing it from themselves.
This is what happens when a puppet pm is put there by unelected bureaucrats like Dominic Cummings who have an unaccountable agenda that does not align with the best interests of the British people.
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You have a complete failure of understanding who put Boris in. He was voted in by the Conservative Membership, in the same way Brown was voted in (did they even have a vote?) by the Trade Unions. This system has been in for decades, and I guess BJ will face a vote pretty soon anyhow.

Hasn't it always been policy to remove MPs who vote against their own party, particularly if it's in a vote to install Corbyn as Prime Minister.
 
in_the_top_one said:
And this.
This, right here, is quite blatantly the mark of a dictatorship.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49541942

We don't want parliament to have a say so we will shut it down.
If we can't shut it down we will ignore the legislation it makes.

Oh my goodness. We live in frightening times, gentlemen.
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Dictatorship, coup, fascist.. Really proving remainers don't understand the meaning of these. Was Gordon Brown a dictator? Is BJ illegally in power ? The Remainers used the humble address , a little known power not used for hundreds of years. Remainers have had three years to stop this, but can only agree on what they don't want. BJ is using Parliamentary methods to deliver what he SHOULD be legally obliged to deliver. He has closed Parliament for FOUR days !

Again, ignoring legislation will only happen if that's legal. Don't know all the procedures, but presumably they could opt for an election instead of implementing someone elses legislation.

If BJ takes us out, and loses an election, JC can simply enact what he wants. We already know that he is capable of getting a better deal from the EU, because he keeps saying so. Even now Labour (Rebecca Long-Bailey) are saying they only want a short extension . She couldn't say if "short" is weeks, months or whatever, but she didn't say anything about remaining in. What excactly do Labour want?
 
in_the_top_one said:
Nope. Or Corbyn himself would have lost the whip on hundreds of occasions.
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May had incredibly weak leadership, almost letting her cabinet do what they want. If BJ has a manifesto of Leave, what is the point of having more Conservative MPs who will leave the Party or stop the manifesto? As I've already said imagine we have another election. The Conservatives get 350 seats , the others 300, but we still carry on getting nowhere for another five years because 30 of the Conservatives keep voting against their own party.

As a near lifelong Labour supporter (who won't vote for Corbyn), I voted for Soubry because she promised to honour the referendum and help deliver it. Next time we need to know what we are getting with our MPs.
 
in_the_top_one said:
I feel for you mate.

I've already posted a long list of positive reasons to be part of the EU for Lienking but they were also put on the Ignore pile. I'd say being part of a union that saved you, your business and countless others having to do all that shit would be another fine reason!
I particularly like that there are several things you have to do before the end of next month that take more than 4 weeks, or more than 6 weeks, and you have received this list today. Bloody Marvelous.
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It’s definitely going to cause problems for many business if this is where we end up.

In many respects we are lucky. Once it was obvious that TM’s Deal was dead, I started the process of setting another arm of the ended business up in Europe, just in case we ended up with something like this.

We import specialist equipment from the US to the UK and EU. We won’t be able to afford the time and cost of passing the stuff through the UK to Europe if it’s this No Deal scenario, that’s not even considering the devaluation of Sterling, so I guess if this is where we end up on November 1st, we will just bypass the UK altogether for that business.

Of course as we don’t currently know what UKCA will look like either, it maybe that the option of getting the US products certified for UK use is not practical or too expensive, at which point we become a service unit only in the UK which is not sustainable long term.

If that does become the case, then we will adopt the ‘Starbucks, Google, Amazon’ model of operations and move our Tax liabilities out of the UK as soon as possible, something that’s all perfectly legal and above board.

We won’t be the only business going down that route either.

I said many times that I could have accepted the TM deal. I don’t want to leave the EU, but respecting the referendum that deal was a reasonable compromise.

What we are heading into now is madness and hugely damaging.

Pity this wasn’t mentioned in literature in the run up to the referendum, but then I guess lies are much easier to peddle, the truth is less palatable.
 
You're sounding like a gloomster, Feco.
These are fabricated worries by the establishment to try to subvert the willofthepeople.

You need to buck up and use a little of the British bulldog blitz spirit. Then your business will be fine.
 
Lienking said:
You have a complete failure of understanding who put Boris in. He was voted in by the Conservative Membership, in the same way Brown was voted in (did they even have a vote?) by the Trade Unions. This system has been in for decades,
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How very interesting.
Trouble is, he has no mandate for the policy he is trying to push through.

No Deal was dismissed as Project Fear. A laughable outcome that would never ever happen because of German car manufacturers and the French cheesemongers.
We are now in the absurd position where the likes of ReesMogg, Johnson and Raab are saying that we were all made aware of these horrible consequences before the vote. I.e. Admitting that Remain were telling the truth and Leave were lying!

And you have swallowed it all and continue to do so. It's rather naiive, in my view.
 
in_the_top_one said:
No it isn't. This is the ONLY brexit.
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It is now.

My contacts have now ‘moved on’ so
information is not as readily available from inside anymore. Those that are there are also very reluctant to talk these days for obvious reasons. Having your security pass revoked and being escorted from site by the police is not a good career move.

What is clear now, and what Lienking and the likes are still swallowing is the lies being peddled.

This is not about Brexit anymore, this is about power. Brexit is the tool being used, but in all reality it’s a done deal. We leave 31st October 2919 with no deal.
What you see now is political manoeuvres to apportion the blame, because those in Westminster know exactly how damaging this is going to be.

Boris only ever wanted to be PM, he has no affiliation to leaving the EU, but he saw the long game and recognised leaving was his best chance of achieving that.

Corbyn on the other hand does want to leave and always has done, like Boris, he also only ever wanted the power.

Boris is desperate for a GE, he is banking on a no confidence vote, because that gives him his person to blame for the mess that will ensue after we leave.
Boris knee that Corbyn was unlikely to win a vote if he called it as not enough of his own side would get behind him let alone the Tories.
Likewise a Government of National Unity was not likely either.
So 14 days down the line Boris would get to call a GE which conveniently would be 31st October.
Vote for Boris by 10pm, leave the EU at 11pm.
Boris would campaign on the fact that he would have got a new deal with the EU, why even Mrs Merkle said it could be done in 30 days, (another lie, she never actually said that, but that’s what was reported in the press) but because he was forced to go to the country, and political debate and negotiations where suspended through the campaign we ended up with No Deal. Not his fault, it’s all the fault of Corbyn and the remainders, killing of the Corbyn years and in all likelihood Labour and the Brexit (Farage anyway) party in one move.

With the fixed term Parliament, if Boris could get a majority of his faithful in Westminster, he is pretty much guaranteed 5 years as PM. If he succeeds in those 5 years, he’s a genius, if he doesn’t it’s all the fault of the poor hand he inherited, TM’s fault, Corbyn and the remainers fault. Genius really.

The legislation route proposed last week is why Parliament was prorogued for such a long time.
The process was perfectly reasonable with a new PM, the length of time isn’t.
That was just another method of stifling debating time in Parliament and try to force a confidence vote.

Brexit is now a done deal, we leave on the 31st October with no deal.
The EU won’t allow a new extension, Macron won’t agree because he has his own domestic agenda and is desperate for as much disruption in the Pays de Calais region as possible.....look who the political party in power in that region are.

What we have now is the battle for No 10 for the next 5 years.

And the mastermind behind it all is Dominic Cummings, who’s stated aim is to destroy the current political establishment.......

Worrying times ahead.
 
Feco said:
It is now.

My contacts have now ‘moved on’ so
information is not as readily available from inside anymore. Those that are there are also very reluctant to talk these days for obvious reasons. Having your security pass revoked and being escorted from site by the police is not a good career move.

What is clear now, and what Lienking and the likes are still swallowing is the lies being peddled.

This is not about Brexit anymore, this is about power. Brexit is the tool being used, but in all reality it’s a done deal. We leave 31st October 2919 with no deal.
What you see now is political manoeuvres to apportion the blame, because those in Westminster know exactly how damaging this is going to be.

Boris only ever wanted to be PM, he has no affiliation to leaving the EU, but he saw the long game and recognised leaving was his best chance of achieving that.

Corbyn on the other hand does want to leave and always has done, like Boris, he also only ever wanted the power.

Boris is desperate for a GE, he is banking on a no confidence vote, because that gives him his person to blame for the mess that will ensue after we leave.
Boris knee that Corbyn was unlikely to win a vote if he called it as not enough of his own side would get behind him let alone the Tories.
Likewise a Government of National Unity was not likely either.
So 14 days down the line Boris would get to call a GE which conveniently would be 31st October.
Vote for Boris by 10pm, leave the EU at 11pm.
Boris would campaign on the fact that he would have got a new deal with the EU, why even Mrs Merkle said it could be done in 30 days, (another lie, she never actually said that, but that’s what was reported in the press) but because he was forced to go to the country, and political debate and negotiations where suspended through the campaign we ended up with No Deal. Not his fault, it’s all the fault of Corbyn and the remainders, killing of the Corbyn years and in all likelihood Labour and the Brexit (Farage anyway) party in one move.

With the fixed term Parliament, if Boris could get a majority of his faithful in Westminster, he is pretty much guaranteed 5 years as PM. If he succeeds in those 5 years, he’s a genius, if he doesn’t it’s all the fault of the poor hand he inherited, TM’s fault, Corbyn and the remainers fault. Genius really.

The legislation route proposed last week is why Parliament was prorogued for such a long time.
The process was perfectly reasonable with a new PM, the length of time isn’t.
That was just another method of stifling debating time in Parliament and try to force a confidence vote.

Brexit is now a done deal, we leave on the 31st October with no deal.
The EU won’t allow a new extension, Macron won’t agree because he has his own domestic agenda and is desperate for as much disruption in the Pays de Calais region as possible.....look who the political party in power in that region are.

What we have now is the battle for No 10 for the next 5 years.

And the mastermind behind it all is Dominic Cummings, who’s stated aim is to destroy the current political establishment.......

Worrying times ahead.
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According to Lieking you are just scaremongering, there will be no disruption whatsoever and your only argument for remaining is to belittle the 17,4m leave voters.
 
Bremen Tree said:
According to Lieking you are just scaremongering, there will be no disruption whatsoever and your only argument for remaining is to belittle the 17,4m leave voters.
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At no stage have I ever said there will be no disruption at all. Some businesses will be losers and others winners. We may actually get a decent deal the month after we have left, because the UK will react to problems, but the lumbering EU will find it's shot itself in the foot.

It's strange that no one knows what disaster will befall us. David Cameron sent us all a book spelling it all out. You obviously didn't read it. Hundreds of thousands of jobs would be lost immediately even just for voting leave according to the Treasury. No planes will fly (whatever happened to that one, not heard it recently?). Brexit will delay flu jabs (didn't mention they are delayed anyhow because it took them longer than usual to decide on what type of flu was likely this year).
 
I've been trying to follow this from the word go but the more I've tried the worse it's got.
How is it that Boris is in this situation where apparently nobody wants him, no one seems to know just what he intends and on the face of it the UK will leave possibly with no agreement?
How can this happen?
The only thing which seems definite to me is what Feco has to say which relates to his company. And that's probably not going to help any of you.
 
Old Red Fart said:
I've been trying to follow this from the word go but the more I've tried the worse it's got.
How is it that Boris is in this situation where apparently nobody wants him, no one seems to know just what he intends and on the face of it the UK will leave possibly with no agreement?
How can this happen?
The only thing which seems definite to me is what Feco has to say which relates to his company. And that's probably not going to help any of you.
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As many have said before, all he "intends" is to be pm. He is a puppet of others. His pay off is the glory of the highest office, others can work out the detail and run the country. He doesn't give a shit about the country or the people in it. He is so far into this pact with the devil that there is no return and he is going along with policies that I'm sure even he knows are not sensible.
Only half of leave voters think what he has done is acceptable.

How can this happen?
Well because the well of truth has been poisoned to that extent. It no longer matters how many people in the food supply chain shout out that there will be shortages because Lienking won't believe them. The same is true of manufacturung, financial services, academia, science and innovation, drug composites, and so on. If Feco is right and unelected idealogues force us out of the EU without a deal on Halloween, there will be horrible consequences. But as you can see on this page, it won't be their fault. Oh no, it will be the remainers who predicted it but refused to help drive the bus over the cliff, lazy company bosses like Feco who failed to prepare adequately, Theresa May, Tony Blair, a lack of stiff upper lip from the general public, whoever, whatever. It doesn't matter because, by then, a few selfish men will have taken the British people to the cleaners and fundamentally change British society.

In some ways it might even be easier to assess the situation from Australia. It's chaos here. We have become a country of two warring cults. It is unstable and very dangerous.
 
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