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Ban on the Black Country dialect
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david-avfc
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I wouldn't say 'poshies' say "you are", I'd say 99% of the population say "you are".
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Think from watching the news, this has been blown up a bit. He is talking about teaching English.
Now if you sit an exam and say wor instead of were, would you expect to pass?
This is no different to teaching driving. Do you teach people how they will end up driving, or the official way to pass the test?
The head plaster hasn't banned this in the playground etc, he's not told their parents not to talk to them like that, he's said during English lessons, they have to learn English.
Ok, put another way, how would all the parents feel if they were allowed to do whatever they wanted and they all went on to fail English exams and weren't able to go to college, uni or get jobs?
People aren't being realistic and it was nice to see a few of the parents interviewed saying they wanted their kids taught English. The kids can and will pick up the local dialect themselves and will talk how they choose in life.
Now if you sit an exam and say wor instead of were, would you expect to pass?
This is no different to teaching driving. Do you teach people how they will end up driving, or the official way to pass the test?
The head plaster hasn't banned this in the playground etc, he's not told their parents not to talk to them like that, he's said during English lessons, they have to learn English.
Ok, put another way, how would all the parents feel if they were allowed to do whatever they wanted and they all went on to fail English exams and weren't able to go to college, uni or get jobs?
People aren't being realistic and it was nice to see a few of the parents interviewed saying they wanted their kids taught English. The kids can and will pick up the local dialect themselves and will talk how they choose in life.
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But Fear mate i passed English with a B in Literature (unbelievable i know) and a C i in English yet i speak yam yam dialect etc so how do you work that out if it affects us learning proper english as you say?
Also we then need to introduce this in Scotland and stop them saying ''wee'' and Yorkshire ''ta'' Wales London......etc never going to happan mate cos it doesn't affect the way people are making it out to speaking with dialect if so how does anybody that doesn't speak this so called ''proper'' english pass english exams or as my great uncle a navy officer how do we get these jobs they speak yam yam always have?
Also we then need to introduce this in Scotland and stop them saying ''wee'' and Yorkshire ''ta'' Wales London......etc never going to happan mate cos it doesn't affect the way people are making it out to speaking with dialect if so how does anybody that doesn't speak this so called ''proper'' english pass english exams or as my great uncle a navy officer how do we get these jobs they speak yam yam always have?
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There was an expert in dialect and culture on the news and he was laughing at trying to change the dialect in the schools he said what i said over and over ''when the kids go home and meet there freinds and are out and about the dialect is being said all the time it just will never happan''
So ner ner ner are told ya day i, are cor believe yo am trying to change the way us lot talk words, we bay bin havin this are tell ya, get on ya hos and trot off.
So ner ner ner are told ya day i, are cor believe yo am trying to change the way us lot talk words, we bay bin havin this are tell ya, get on ya hos and trot off.
The Fear
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But in the English exam you wouldn't use wor, ta, ta'ra a bit, wee, etc, you would user he English taught you.
You then speak your dialect outside of the classroom. That is exactly my point.
You get taught proper English. You then change it in your own community, to fit in with the dialect.
You don't get taught that local dialect and if you were, you would fail English.
You won't have used wor etc in your exams mate, that doesn't make you any less Black Country or yam yam.
There is a difference in the classroom and outside of it. That headmaster would be sacked if he didn't teach English to a passable standard.
You then speak your dialect outside of the classroom. That is exactly my point.
You get taught proper English. You then change it in your own community, to fit in with the dialect.
You don't get taught that local dialect and if you were, you would fail English.
You won't have used wor etc in your exams mate, that doesn't make you any less Black Country or yam yam.
There is a difference in the classroom and outside of it. That headmaster would be sacked if he didn't teach English to a passable standard.
david-avfc
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Wait, this is a serious thread? (only have myself to blame for not reading the OP)
I agree with Fear, sorry but if you can't spell basic words then you will fail exams and struggle to get any qualifications. If you can't spell basic words how will you write a CV to convince someone to employ you?
In the class room it makes perfect sense, while there is nothing wrong with these dialects it's about making the kids know that it is not proper English - which is vital to learn.
It's not an assault on any dialect or accent, I remember seeing the same thing a couple of years ago maybe on the one show when I was bored its the same in London, kids write how they its spelled, and they think it's spelled the way they say it - such as confusing L's and W's e.g. Miwaw instead of Millwall etc - the problem is because of the way people with London accents pronounce the words the kids then genuinely think that's the right way to say it and spell the word - someone needs to correct them eventually.
I see the same thing on facebook every day, people write things the way they say it and written down it looks horrendous.
I agree with Fear, sorry but if you can't spell basic words then you will fail exams and struggle to get any qualifications. If you can't spell basic words how will you write a CV to convince someone to employ you?
In the class room it makes perfect sense, while there is nothing wrong with these dialects it's about making the kids know that it is not proper English - which is vital to learn.
It's not an assault on any dialect or accent, I remember seeing the same thing a couple of years ago maybe on the one show when I was bored its the same in London, kids write how they its spelled, and they think it's spelled the way they say it - such as confusing L's and W's e.g. Miwaw instead of Millwall etc - the problem is because of the way people with London accents pronounce the words the kids then genuinely think that's the right way to say it and spell the word - someone needs to correct them eventually.
I see the same thing on facebook every day, people write things the way they say it and written down it looks horrendous.
The Fear
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To the second post. I'm not trying to change how anyone talks, nor is he, as said, he has t banned the kids fill stop, just in the classroom. You have to set he difference dude. In the playground and at home he couldn't stop it even if he tried, which from my understanding he isn't!!
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Fear i will say this no kid should be writing ''cor'' or ''wor'' etc the words we say around these parts, that if it has been happaning is just god damn bad teaching in the first place to let the kids even write it if they were not stopped there and then anyway, when i was at school my freinds or family none of us wrote ''cor'' ''wor'' this is just mental if the kids have been allowed to write these words in the first place in english, but as for saying them words that is impossible as we know to stop, i can now get my point across as i realise how to put it lol the schools basically must have been crap in the first place if they have had to come up with this strategy to stop words like this used as we never wrote the slang or dialect etc
Good god i need a cuppa now my brain is on overdrive!
Good god i need a cuppa now my brain is on overdrive!
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Trek the thing is every job i have had i never had a problem in my area getting a job you see as all my boss's spoke the same as me anyway so your point about affecting job interviews etc is not accurate as never stopped me only health stops me so work that one out?
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I blame posh folk
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Cmon Trek i ain't been funny with you i joke about poshy's same as loads take the piss out of my accent but if anybody wants to be pissed off with me i amseriously had enough of this thread tbh i have explained evrything clear if anybody wants to make out im being ''funny'' snider or anything like that be my guest i can't get my point across anymore i have tried oh well end of thread for me finally :14:
P.S If anybody on here thinks that all kids in my area write and read english as we speak and mean then you ain't got a clue about the Black Country im afraid, for one i dunno how my great uncle became a Navy Officer high ranking of ships fleet then, or my dads uncles who were bomb experts that sailed a boat over to Holland and blew up friggerts in WW2 and have a monument in there honour for there bravery etc seriously if you think we are all writing ''cor'' and ''wor'' in classrooms your mistaken that is all! :2:
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Yes Fear dude the school must have bee one poor scoring english exams results place tbh, i am shocked this school seems to only be doing something about it now, some of my old english teachers Mrs Bentley grabbed my old mates pony tail and bounced his head of the table a couple of times lol for something so small like spelling mistake or something and bruised his head hehe they need Mrd Bentley at that school then but how bad must this school be to send your kids and they was allowed to spell how they talk ffs mental.
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Im gonna be honest anyway at job interviews i have always put on a posher accent anyway specially the jobs i got paid the most i ever did for lol the one where i serviced portable air con units in Oldbury and installed them in offices banks etc was £12,000 per year one of my highest ever salries that is apart from take home £237 for just picking company cars up for Lloyds car finance at a garage and they got serviced but i always put a bit of an act on i didn't go in and say ''Alright our kid, yam offering a job ay ya, gis a job wul ya are need one like'' lool
