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👨🏼‍💼 Ange Postecoglou - Manager Thread

Gary Onedaysoon said:
I think we can all agree on that SP.

It's barely credible that we've got ourselves in a situation where we lose one of our CBs and the only alternative is a reserve LB.
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That's why I have always been confused over why Rodon was never given an opportunity, ok, he isn't starter standard but as a back up, and a specialist centre back, he has to be a better option than Davies.
 
Gary Onedaysoon said:
I think we can all agree on that SP.

It's barely credible that we've got ourselves in a situation where we lose one of our CBs and the only alternative is a reserve LB.
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Nobody in their right mind wants to return to the drawing board again, far too much time & resources has been spent in trying to get this right. We have to believe we have the structure in place to rectify this unfortunate situation. My fear is i'm not so sure we have.
 
TQ2Spurs said:
I think you are right, our rebuild won't be complete until we replace Son (and Kane effectively) but it must be with a proven striker early to mid twenties ideally.
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To a degree you are right there TQ, but what's the point of a proven striker if for one reason or another he isn't get the servis from out wide.
 
Greavswasthegreatest said:
Levy aint stupid...the here and now will be when we have all of our top players back in the team ....if it stays 'harum scarum' until then,then so be it....I am prepared to wait as are most of us on here. If we had not started so well many on here would be saying 5th at this stage of the rebuild is much better than we could have hoped for and above all our expectations after the three monkeys we have had before Ange! We all need to get real
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Very well said there Greavsie, 100% agreement from me. COYS
 
steveperryman said:
Nobody in their right mind wants to return to the drawing board again, far too much time & resources has been spent in trying to get this right. We have to believe we have the structure in place to rectify this unfortunate situation. My fear is i'm not so sure we have.
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Steve am in a ponder ere, wiv your "i'm not sure we have!" thinking, cos lets be truly honest Angie has only been wiv us for 5mins.

It will take a bit longer than 5mins to get his structure right, its getting there I believe! he does need time after all he ain't Jesus Christ and be able to carry out miracles in a short space of time.

I really believe we have the right man and in Angie I/we trust. COYS
 
Pompey Yid said:
Steve am in a ponder ere, wiv your "i'm not sure we have!" thinking, cos lets be truly honest Angie has only been wiv us for 5mins.

It will take a bit longer than 5mins to get his structure right, its getting there I believe! he does need time after all he ain't Jesus Christ and be able to carry out miracles in a short space of time.

I really believe we have the right man and in Angie I/we trust. COYS
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Appointments were forced upon us, action was swift. Have we made the right appointments? Only time will tell
 
sldspurs said:
I cant even remember the last time we had a team squad of top players that we would sell 1 or 2 on and get better in every new season. We have for many seasons bought busloads of also rans and players with minimal Prem level pedigree and then we find we cant/wont sell them anymore and it shows. Davies has been good for us over the years and been very loyal but in this new system - he just doesnt fit but there are others as well not just him..... I would go as far as selling Son if need be ... but he needs to go to Ref school and learn what the offside rule actually is. In the last 5 games he has been offside more times than he has created chances and it is hurting us.
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I just can't remember Davies ever being a good left back. We mustn't forget the huge impact the world class Vertonghen had on his left backs. He made them look better than they were. In Davies case, he was either too far inside alongside his centre half or caught hopelessly ahead of play and unable to recover. He is a poor crosser of the ball and he's no one-touch merchant either. Teams used to wait until he was in possession and shut him down quickly. They always identified him as our weak link. Still do. Davies has always struggled without Jan.

Danny Rose hit a level that we all loved. We've clearly tried to find that again with Reggie and Sess but it hasn't worked out because of injuries. Had we found our own Rico Henry, Tyrick Mitchell or Estupinan we wouldn't have been waiting 5 years to replace Rose. It was the same with Walker who left in 2017. Only Porro has recently come close to a level we require as a football club. That includes Trippier how will never look back on his Spurs career and say that he was at his best.

Loving Porro and Udogie though.
 
steveperryman said:
Nobody in their right mind wants to return to the drawing board again, far too much time & resources has been spent in trying to get this right. We have to believe we have the structure in place to rectify this unfortunate situation. My fear is i'm not so sure we have.
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But if you think back, so many of these players were bought for a Nuno or Conte management style. They just slotted in easily to Ange's system. Even the Ange signings has Fabio's fingerprints all over them.

There would never be a drawing board scenario even if Ange went. We have too many good players.
 
muttley said:
But if you think back, so many of these players were bought for a Nuno or Conte management style. They just slotted in easily to Ange's system. Even the Ange signings has Fabio's fingerprints all over them.

There would never be a drawing board scenario even if Ange went. We have too many good players.
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I just can't imagine how painful it would be to get ANOTHER manager in after months of fannying around again.

It's not even January, we have no strength in depth and we haven't had an opportunity to strengthen in the shape of what Ange wants.

Yes, his game management needs to be better and it seems to be the polar opposite of what Cunte wanted, but look how that whinging ballcunt turned out?
 
For everybody pissing the bed already, look at Poch's first 20 odd games - we didn't even break into the top 4 in what was arguably a much weaker league.

I'd argue the squad that Poch inherited was bloody better than the mess that Ange has, so let's all have a cup of tea, relax and enjoy the ride.

Between games 3 and 9 we only won ONCE, and that was against a crap Southampton side.

The age of fast news, social media and God knows what else is making you all crack up. Stay strong, ignore the media and trust the process. The majority of us were saying that we'd accept a bumpy ride in exchange for some good, free flowing football. What's happened? Now we're all booing and begging for the shit show that was unleashed on us for the past 5 years.

COYS
 

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Quite simply, unless it gets to the fighting relegation stage, we and the club must accept that this is a project needing stability and patience. The situation is unusual with a high degree of good fortune taking us to a record start, followed by an equally unfortunate set of disruptive injuries and suspensions. A more normal degree of circumstances should see us comfortably mid-table which realistically is all we can aspire to this early in the Ange era.
 
TQ2Spurs said:
That's why I have always been confused over why Rodon was never given an opportunity, ok, he isn't starter standard but as a back up, and a specialist centre back, he has to be a better option than Davies.
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He is not good enough, we did the right thing to get him out and free up space.

Same with Sanchez
 
thelaughingcock said:
I just can't imagine how painful it would be to get ANOTHER manager in after months of fannying around again.

It's not even January, we have no strength in depth and we haven't had an opportunity to strengthen in the shape of what Ange wants.

Yes, his game management needs to be better and it seems to be the polar opposite of what Cunte wanted, but look how that whinging ballcunt turned out?
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I hope my earlier post wasn't interpreted wrongly. I DO NOT WANT Ange anywhere other than where he is right now. Conte couldn't even get players to pass and move, let alone fit enough to pass and move. The best is yet to come with Ange.

My point was simply that we have some phenonomal players that could play for any top manager in any formation or tactics. I couldn't have said that before Fabio sprinkled his magic dust on our squad. My only concern is whether the current recruitment team can do their job without him around. They get the benefit of the doubt for now.
 
thelaughingcock said:
For everybody pissing the bed already, look at Poch's first 20 odd games - we didn't even break into the top 4 in what was arguably a much weaker league.

I'd argue the squad that Poch inherited was bloody better than the mess that Ange has, so let's all have a cup of tea, relax and enjoy the ride.

Between games 3 and 9 we only won ONCE, and that was against a crap Southampton side.

The age of fast news, social media and God knows what else is making you all crack up. Stay strong, ignore the media and trust the process. The majority of us were saying that we'd accept a bumpy ride in exchange for some good, free flowing football. What's happened? Now we're all booing and begging for the shit show that was unleashed on us for the past 5 years.

COYS
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Now there's a great debate. Who started with the better squad, Poch or Ange?

Poch's best team was

Lloris
Walker, Toby, Jan, Rose
Dembele, Wanyama
Eriksen, Dele, Son
Kane

Unless my memory is failing, Poch started with 7 of those players. I don't recall him having so much squad depth behind it and he definitely had to nurture some of those younger players and get Jan, Mousa, Erisken to their peaks. He also undertook a major cull and churn of the squad.

Ange starts with

Venom
Porro, Romero, VDV, Udogie
Sarr/Bents, Biss
Kulu, Madds, Johnson
Sonny

I guess you could build a case for Ange starting with a stronger first team and being further along with the cull and churn. Saying that Ange hasn't got a young Kane or prime Dembele in his squad. How we could do with those two right now.
 
muttley said:
Now there's a great debate. Who started with the better squad, Poch or Ange?

Poch's best team was

Lloris
Walker, Toby, Jan, Rose
Dembele, Wanyama
Eriksen, Dele, Son
Kane

Unless my memory is failing, Poch started with 7 of those players. I don't recall him having so much squad depth behind it and he definitely had to nurture some of those younger players and get Jan, Mousa, Erisken to their peaks. He also undertook a major cull and churn of the squad.

Ange starts with

Venom
Porro, Romero, VDV, Udogie
Sarr/Bents, Biss
Kulu, Madds, Johnson
Sonny

I guess you could build a case for Ange starting with a stronger first team and being further along with the cull and churn. Saying that Ange hasn't got a young Kane or prime Dembele in his squad. How we could do with those two right now.
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Mopos first selection was awful

Hugo

Naughton Kaboul Dier rose
Capoue Bentaleb
Eriksen lamela Lennon
Ade

It's missing Walker/Dembele/Jan who I assume were injured.

What he did have was 6 world class/Top level players already in the squad

Kane/Dembele/Jan/Walker/Eriksen/Hugo - how many of the current squad matches them at their peak?
 
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