80deg16minW
Vital Squad Member
So he won't change his tactics he needs to change the starting lineup.
You kind of need players that can play your tactics....and we sure as hell don't have them....
80deg16minW
Vital Squad Member
And do we wait for the window or fire him?
Hard to say man....the big risk is if we start very poorly next season....how long to do you give him. (relegation is a real think in this form)
Spesh-Spur
Vital 1st Team Regular
So we rear it up and start again? With who in charge?
Personally Iām fed up just as much as the rest of you but something has to change in order to break the traditional manager churn. So we either demand results now or we bite our tongue and be patient knowing it will take another couple of seasons before we see the real reward?
It may get ugly but for once Iām going to play the long game and give the āprojectā more time as itās clear only a few are āup for itā.
Spesh-Spur
Vital 1st Team Regular
From the Evening Standard:
www.standard.co.uk
Tottenham head coach Ange Postecoglou believes he has the club's full support to implement the "drastic change" needed to the playing squad and staff to turn his side into a top team.
In a defiant press briefing sandwiched between Thursday night's 2-0 defeat to Chelsea and the visit to Liverpool on Sunday, Postecoglou said the club had "brought into my vision" but suggested that the squad could eventually be "unrecognisable" from the one he inherited.
The Australian's approach has come in for fresh scrutiny following the derby defeats to Arsenal and Chelsea this week, but he added that he has "absolutely no" doubts about his style of play and said he "loves" the challenge of a difficult rebuild.
Before the visit to Stamford Bridge, Postecoglou acknowledged that "a majority" of his players and staff still did not have "true belief" in his approach and he says he is preparing to wield the axe in the summer.
"We need change. Change has to happen," Postecoglou said.
"You canāt want to alter your course and expect the same people are going to be on that. Itās just not going to happen.
"Weāve had two windows and weāve had some development of players, for sure, but when I say weāve still got a long way to go, thatās what Iām talking about.
"Itās impossible to say youāre going to have drastic change and yet expect everyone to be on that journey.
"Itās not for the want of trying. Itās just that weāre going to play a certain way, weāre going to train a certain way and weāre going to have a certain mindset.
"And thatās not for everyone.
"Whether itās Liverpool or Arsenal, if you look at the beginning of their journeys, by the time they win the competition or have success, the teamās almost unrecognisable.
"Thatās the reality if you change [and weāve] done a major pivot here, so that definitely is the case [for us], yeah."
A number of senior players have already left the club since Postecoglou's appointment last summer, with Harry Kane joining Bayern Munich on the eve of the season former captain Hugo Lloris and Eric Dier frozen out before making January moves.
Postecoglou says there are more "tough decisions" to come, and suggested there could also be a turnover in his staff as well as players.
āWeāve already made tough decisions, we let some experienced players leave the club at the beginning of the year, some by choice," he continued.
"But again, I feel like if weāre really going to change, that means change. You have to make decisions.
"Some of those decisions arenāt that tough because whether itās a player or a staff member, they realise it themselves and say, āYou know what, Iāve got a better path somewhere else and youāve got a better path hereā.
"But some of them you have to make just because of change, not necessarily because they don't fit in the picture but you still have to change. Iāve got to change this squad, I have to.
"Because Iāve got to build a squad I think can play our football.
"For that to happen, there has to be exits. I can't just keep everyone here and keep bringing in players. So sometimes you let people go who you think āheās a good playerā but how am I going to change if I donāt do that."
Many of Postecoglou's Spurs predecessors, including Mauricio Pochettino, Jose Mourinho and Antonio Conte, have wanted to overhaul their squads but ended up being frustrated by what they percieved as a lack of backing from the club.
Asked if he was confident of being fully supported to transform the squad, Postecoglou said: "All I can say is that at the moment I feel like the club has bought into my vision and itās up to me.
"Iām not going to do it on my own, thatās for sure. I never have, wherever Iāve been, Iāve had great support and right now I have all the support I need. I really feel like the club has bought into the vision I have and itās up to me to maintain that."
Consecutive defeats to Newcastle, Arsenal and Chelsea have led to fresh scrutiny of Postecoglou's football, which had never been tested in one of Europe's top leagues before he joined Spurs.
The former Celtic and Yokohama F. Marino manager understands the doubts, but insists his own faith has never wavered and he says he loves the challenge of a difficult rebuild.
"What do you reckon they said when I got to Japan? What do you reckon they said when I got to Scotland?" he said.
āI get [the scepticism]. I understand that. Itās legitimate until success comes and then it doesnāt become legitimate.
āMy role is to navigate us to where I think weāll be successful. Itās not new to me. Itās not something I havenāt been asked before.
āIāve navigated it exactly the same way.
āBut that doesnāt mean those questions shouldnāt be there because until you achieve something, obviously people are going to try and figure out if my ideas are going to work here.
āThatās understandable. Until you have success, of course those questions are going to remain.
āBut do I have any doubts? Absolutely none. I have clarity in terms of building us a club which will become successful.
āI believe what I believe, down to my core. Iāll stand on the highest ground, die a noble death, believing in what I believe.
"Put it this way I haven't had anything that's come along my path that has shown me that I need to change.
"So like anything in life, once you feel like something is working for you, something you believe in, brings success -- and it does -- you take that forward.
"Maybe the Premier League is a step too far, mate. Who knows? Maybe, maybe. But I will still be on that hill, wounded, my dying breath 'saying 'I believe, I do believe'.
"But I do, I really do mate. And as long as I'm here that's what you will see. You will see this team playing the way I want it to.
āWhen things are running smoothly, itās almost like what the hell am I doing here? You want the challenge. Thatās where we all get tested.
āI love that aspect of it and Iāve had it in every job Iāve had.
"Imagine the scrutiny and the pressure weāll be under when weāre on the cusp of success at this club.
āCan you imagine the questioning that will come around then about the history of this club and how it falls at the final hurdle?
āYouāve got to embrace that. Thatās always going to be there. Nothingās going to run smoothly.
āI do, I love this challenge because this is why I do what I do. Itās up to me."
(London Evening Standard - Dan Kilpatrick)
Postecoglou confident Tottenham back him to make 'drastic change' in rebuild
Spurs boss sends out message of defiance after double derby day defeat
www.standard.co.uk
Tottenham head coach Ange Postecoglou believes he has the club's full support to implement the "drastic change" needed to the playing squad and staff to turn his side into a top team.
In a defiant press briefing sandwiched between Thursday night's 2-0 defeat to Chelsea and the visit to Liverpool on Sunday, Postecoglou said the club had "brought into my vision" but suggested that the squad could eventually be "unrecognisable" from the one he inherited.
The Australian's approach has come in for fresh scrutiny following the derby defeats to Arsenal and Chelsea this week, but he added that he has "absolutely no" doubts about his style of play and said he "loves" the challenge of a difficult rebuild.
Before the visit to Stamford Bridge, Postecoglou acknowledged that "a majority" of his players and staff still did not have "true belief" in his approach and he says he is preparing to wield the axe in the summer.
"We need change. Change has to happen," Postecoglou said.
"You canāt want to alter your course and expect the same people are going to be on that. Itās just not going to happen.
"Weāve had two windows and weāve had some development of players, for sure, but when I say weāve still got a long way to go, thatās what Iām talking about.
"Itās impossible to say youāre going to have drastic change and yet expect everyone to be on that journey.
"Itās not for the want of trying. Itās just that weāre going to play a certain way, weāre going to train a certain way and weāre going to have a certain mindset.
"And thatās not for everyone.
"Whether itās Liverpool or Arsenal, if you look at the beginning of their journeys, by the time they win the competition or have success, the teamās almost unrecognisable.
"Thatās the reality if you change [and weāve] done a major pivot here, so that definitely is the case [for us], yeah."
A number of senior players have already left the club since Postecoglou's appointment last summer, with Harry Kane joining Bayern Munich on the eve of the season former captain Hugo Lloris and Eric Dier frozen out before making January moves.
Postecoglou says there are more "tough decisions" to come, and suggested there could also be a turnover in his staff as well as players.
āWeāve already made tough decisions, we let some experienced players leave the club at the beginning of the year, some by choice," he continued.
"But again, I feel like if weāre really going to change, that means change. You have to make decisions.
"Some of those decisions arenāt that tough because whether itās a player or a staff member, they realise it themselves and say, āYou know what, Iāve got a better path somewhere else and youāve got a better path hereā.
"But some of them you have to make just because of change, not necessarily because they don't fit in the picture but you still have to change. Iāve got to change this squad, I have to.
"Because Iāve got to build a squad I think can play our football.
"For that to happen, there has to be exits. I can't just keep everyone here and keep bringing in players. So sometimes you let people go who you think āheās a good playerā but how am I going to change if I donāt do that."
Many of Postecoglou's Spurs predecessors, including Mauricio Pochettino, Jose Mourinho and Antonio Conte, have wanted to overhaul their squads but ended up being frustrated by what they percieved as a lack of backing from the club.
Asked if he was confident of being fully supported to transform the squad, Postecoglou said: "All I can say is that at the moment I feel like the club has bought into my vision and itās up to me.
"Iām not going to do it on my own, thatās for sure. I never have, wherever Iāve been, Iāve had great support and right now I have all the support I need. I really feel like the club has bought into the vision I have and itās up to me to maintain that."
Consecutive defeats to Newcastle, Arsenal and Chelsea have led to fresh scrutiny of Postecoglou's football, which had never been tested in one of Europe's top leagues before he joined Spurs.
The former Celtic and Yokohama F. Marino manager understands the doubts, but insists his own faith has never wavered and he says he loves the challenge of a difficult rebuild.
"What do you reckon they said when I got to Japan? What do you reckon they said when I got to Scotland?" he said.
āI get [the scepticism]. I understand that. Itās legitimate until success comes and then it doesnāt become legitimate.
āMy role is to navigate us to where I think weāll be successful. Itās not new to me. Itās not something I havenāt been asked before.
āIāve navigated it exactly the same way.
āBut that doesnāt mean those questions shouldnāt be there because until you achieve something, obviously people are going to try and figure out if my ideas are going to work here.
āThatās understandable. Until you have success, of course those questions are going to remain.
āBut do I have any doubts? Absolutely none. I have clarity in terms of building us a club which will become successful.
āI believe what I believe, down to my core. Iāll stand on the highest ground, die a noble death, believing in what I believe.
"Put it this way I haven't had anything that's come along my path that has shown me that I need to change.
"So like anything in life, once you feel like something is working for you, something you believe in, brings success -- and it does -- you take that forward.
"Maybe the Premier League is a step too far, mate. Who knows? Maybe, maybe. But I will still be on that hill, wounded, my dying breath 'saying 'I believe, I do believe'.
"But I do, I really do mate. And as long as I'm here that's what you will see. You will see this team playing the way I want it to.
āWhen things are running smoothly, itās almost like what the hell am I doing here? You want the challenge. Thatās where we all get tested.
āI love that aspect of it and Iāve had it in every job Iāve had.
"Imagine the scrutiny and the pressure weāll be under when weāre on the cusp of success at this club.
āCan you imagine the questioning that will come around then about the history of this club and how it falls at the final hurdle?
āYouāve got to embrace that. Thatās always going to be there. Nothingās going to run smoothly.
āI do, I love this challenge because this is why I do what I do. Itās up to me."
(London Evening Standard - Dan Kilpatrick)
80deg16minW
Vital Squad Member
Well, I am sober now and still think he is the right man in this phase of our complete rebuild. So the idea has passed the drunk/sober test. It's gonna work.
Spesh-Spur
Vital 1st Team Regular
freundorfoe
Vital 1st Team Regular
anyone who followed Celtic can you answer a couple of questions for me?
From some tactico videos I watched pre season there seem to be some differences in how we play and how he played there, and I'm not sure if that's him trying to evolve his philosophy or compromising his ideal setup due to personnel - but from what I understand at Celtic
- he inverted 1 fullback and the other one overlapped?
- he didn't have a clear 10 and 8, just two 8s whose job it was to attack the half spaces and get on the end of balls from the wingers & overlapping FB?
- Who was the main DM? Were they a superhuman expected to do most of the defensive work and also most of the ball progression centrally? or were the other players around them there to compensate any shortcomings?
From some tactico videos I watched pre season there seem to be some differences in how we play and how he played there, and I'm not sure if that's him trying to evolve his philosophy or compromising his ideal setup due to personnel - but from what I understand at Celtic
- he inverted 1 fullback and the other one overlapped?
- he didn't have a clear 10 and 8, just two 8s whose job it was to attack the half spaces and get on the end of balls from the wingers & overlapping FB?
- Who was the main DM? Were they a superhuman expected to do most of the defensive work and also most of the ball progression centrally? or were the other players around them there to compensate any shortcomings?
muttley
Alert Team
I read some of the Matt O'Riley articles. Ange definitely helped him become an all round midfielder. He started an amazing passer but added the ability to play 6 or 8. This season he's even got 15 goals. It seemed that Ange got MOR really dialled in to his philosophy.
I've also heard that MOR didn't have much time for Ange though. He seemed glad that he'd left and was certainly not going to follow him to WHL.
Real Deal
Alert Team
Hi guy's, it's been a while. Thought I would pop on after recent performances. I could see this coming months ago, it's why I have stopped coming on.
I like Ange, but we have to be honest with our opinions if you like someone or not.
It doesn't matter if we have King and Dembele in this team, you will concede 60 plus goals every season with this suicidal high line every game.
I can't see Ange changing, which means only one outcome. Getting sacked next season.
Good manager's and coaches have figured him out.
Ange adapt or perish.
I like Ange, but we have to be honest with our opinions if you like someone or not.
It doesn't matter if we have King and Dembele in this team, you will concede 60 plus goals every season with this suicidal high line every game.
I can't see Ange changing, which means only one outcome. Getting sacked next season.
Good manager's and coaches have figured him out.
Ange adapt or perish.
Spursex
Alert Team
Great to see you back, hope the health is all on the up now?
Sadly, as much as I hate it, unless we buy some truly outstanding players in the summer, I suspect you're right.
IF he can adapt (unlikely) he could still do well, but that looks like a forlorn hope as of now.
vinniecopenhagen
Vital Football Hero
Welcome back RD mate.
freundorfoe
Vital 1st Team Regular
My Celtic mate says those rumours were just based on him saying its nice that Rodgers likes having lunch with the players whereas Ange clearly has no interest in being their mate... we were even linked to him a few months back.
OāRiley suggested that replacement Brendan Rodgers had brought āopennessā to Celtic and his willingness to sit and chat with players was āa nice, refreshing kind of changeā.
Those comments were interpreted as a dig at Postecoglou, with OāRiley then forced to deny any issues between himself and the now-Spurs boss.
OāRiley later stated that his comments were āblown out of proportionā and he was just appreciating a different managerial style.
The Dane added that Postecoglou is the manager he has learned the most from, ultimately becoming āso much betterā as a player.
80deg16minW
Vital Squad Member
I think you should stay drunk until the end of the season .... in fact I think we should all join you!
80deg16minW
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80deg16minW
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80deg16minW
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Listen to this.
