Phatnovice
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We can always divert the Trent…
This might end up being the cheaper option...
We can always divert the Trent…
Filling a stadium for 20 games a season does not make a huge profit. The stadium needs income 360 days a year thus exhibition, conference and retail space as paramount. Parking and transport links to support exhibition and events is also important but this will be for several thousand not 40,000.Been in property and land valuation for over 35 years. When coming up with a valuation you need to work backwards from what can be built. Without that you only have speculation. Then you’re challenged by what the local area needs over what builders want to construct. Someone already mentioned houses and another said high rise. But then you need schooling and other amenities. So would a modern business park be better? Well, enough exist in the city already.
Add to the above the perhaps indifference of councillors and others who will be making the final decisions. They may well believe Forest moving to a new shiny bowl is excellent for us fans. We even have a divide amongst ourselves. How can those who don’t feel the buzz of walking over the Trent Bridge with the WFCG all lit up make a final call that suits everybody.
Next we have our own ambition. Newcastle have done much research on a new stadium over expanding and they say the ‘sweet spot’ is c60,000 as it’s about maximising year round income and not having as many fans in as possible. (I’m personally unsure about that). So, do Forest want 50,000 new ground or a 38,000 existing one? They are a business first and foremost to themselves.
If we could bulldoze most of the current stadium, build something that fulfils out ambition, fan base and design criteria then we’d all be happy. But that is not easy.
This is something that has been mentioned consistently for years. We have just never really made a concerted effort to maximise our revenue on a number of fronts.
Even though it is unlikely that my health will ever let me go back on a consistent basis I would be gutted if we had to leave the City Ground. The walk to the stadium is unmatched in the English leagues. That being said, we are being held to ransom and there will come a point where we have to say bollocks to ‘em and find a new site. We can always divert the Trent…
Filling a stadium for 20 games a season does not make a huge profit. The stadium needs income 360 days a year thus exhibition, conference and retail space as paramount. Parking and transport links to support exhibition and events is also important but this will be for several thousand not 40,000.
Newcastle can sell 60,000 seats but would think Forest can manage only 40,000 week in week out.
Been in property and land valuation for over 35 years. When coming up with a valuation you need to work backwards from what can be built. Without that you only have speculation. Then you’re challenged by what the local area needs over what builders want to construct. Someone already mentioned houses and another said high rise. But then you need schooling and other amenities. So would a modern business park be better? Well, enough exist in the city already.
Add to the above the perhaps indifference of councillors and others who will be making the final decisions. They may well believe Forest moving to a new shiny bowl is excellent for us fans. We even have a divide amongst ourselves. How can those who don’t feel the buzz of walking over the Trent Bridge with the WFCG all lit up make a final call that suits everybody.
Next we have our own ambition. Newcastle have done much research on a new stadium over expanding and they say the ‘sweet spot’ is c60,000 as it’s about maximising year round income and not having as many fans in as possible. (I’m personally unsure about that). So, do Forest want 50,000 new ground or a 38,000 existing one? They are a business first and foremost to themselves.
If we could bulldoze most of the current stadium, build something that fulfils out ambition, fan base and design criteria then we’d all be happy. But that is not easy.
Not easy, but is it achievable do you think?Been in property and land valuation for over 35 years. When coming up with a valuation you need to work backwards from what can be built. Without that you only have speculation. Then you’re challenged by what the local area needs over what builders want to construct. Someone already mentioned houses and another said high rise. But then you need schooling and other amenities. So would a modern business park be better? Well, enough exist in the city already.
Add to the above the perhaps indifference of councillors and others who will be making the final decisions. They may well believe Forest moving to a new shiny bowl is excellent for us fans. We even have a divide amongst ourselves. How can those who don’t feel the buzz of walking over the Trent Bridge with the WFCG all lit up make a final call that suits everybody.
Next we have our own ambition. Newcastle have done much research on a new stadium over expanding and they say the ‘sweet spot’ is c60,000 as it’s about maximising year round income and not having as many fans in as possible. (I’m personally unsure about that). So, do Forest want 50,000 new ground or a 38,000 existing one? They are a business first and foremost to themselves.
If we could bulldoze most of the current stadium, build something that fulfils out ambition, fan base and design criteria then we’d all be happy. But that is not easy.
Not easy, but is it achievable do you think?
Is there enough space? Would we be mired in planning applications for years given any proposed changes?
45k for a city pop 600,000. Would struggle to fill that regularly. Empty seats lose atmosphere and more away fans. 40k max but plenty of event and exhibition space. Present plan as laid out to RBC, then rebuild Clough stand with exhibition hall at ground level and first level, pitch covering stored under Clough stand for events. Fountain in carpark. Extensions to parking at Holmpierre Point and Colwick with shuttle bus that runs along road built along side the Trent. Plenty event park plus lovely ride or walk in. Simples.I think being stable in the Prem we could fill a 45-50k stadium and any redevelopment or new build should be to that capacity
We would fill a 45k Polly. Even if it's 40k for us and 5k away, and I agree that we need to rebuild the Clough also. Make it the same as the new main stand but extend it more towards the Trent End.45k for a city pop 600,000. Would struggle to fill that regularly. Empty seats lose atmosphere and more away fans. 40k max but plenty of event and exhibition space. Present plan as laid out to RBC, then rebuild Clough stand with exhibition hall at ground level and first level, pitch covering stored under Clough stand for events. Fountain in carpark. Extensions to parking at Holmpierre Point and Colwick with shuttle bus that runs along road built along side the Trent. Plenty event park plus lovely ride or walk in. Simples.
There’s more fans beyond the greater Nottingham area too. Mansfield, Newark, long Eaton, Ilkeston are all full of fans. I live in south Derbyshire and there’s plenty here too. Success would increase desire. I also think we are ‘one to visit’ for away fans as they all tho k the city is full of single women, shops and bars etc
pmsl, go back 300 pages when i said start this thread in 3 years time :)Any opinion on when this project could be started?
the other might showed exactly why we should never leave the city ground. even doubling our capacity wouldnt take us any closer to the bigger clubs anyway. just futher away from teams like luton etc that we can stay above without expansionIf EM is as ambitious as claimed, we need to be looking at a minimum of 50k.
There will be no trouble filling that for the big games - a change in pricing will fill up the games of less interest.
Getting bodies through the door is the important thing, they can then go to town on the concessions.
Increase non match day activity - conference facilities, corporate boxes doubling as Office space and so on - and you are doubling your money.
If EM is as ambitious as claimed, we need to be looking at a minimum of 50k.
There will be no trouble filling that for the big games - a change in pricing will fill up the games of less interest.
Getting bodies through the door is the important thing, they can then go to town on the concessions.
Increase non match day activity - conference facilities, corporate boxes doubling as Office space and so on - and you are doubling your money.