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FatherKnowsBest said:
I'm sorry but the anti-vaxers leave me as cold as the anti-lockdowners. The anti-lockdowners are keen on telling us that Covid has been no worse than flu and thats why we didn't need to lockdown. NO YOU MUPPETS, ITS BEEN AS BAD AS FLU BECAUSE WE DID LOCKDOWN. WITHOUT LOCKDOWN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MANY TIMES WORSE. Who would have thought that preventing or slowing transmission of a highly virulent disease would be beneficial.

Just as, who would imagine that reaching a state where a large proportion of the population cant catch it or spread it would get the numbers down. Its just so obvious, I can't get the mental gymnastics and graphs that have been done over the last 18 months to try and argue against it. We can argue about many things, but these two mechanisms are self evident. Why dont these people want them to be true.? Not sexy enough? Not enough lizard creatures? Not enough New world order? 'Look Ma, I'm on Youtube'?
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Johnson was in the anti lockdown gang!! He was forced into lockdown after he didn’t lockdown before Cheltenham when advised to. I won’t mention the fact he put people with Covid into old folks homes. We have had another couple of bollock drops from him recently namely Not stopping planes coming here from India when he’d stopped them coming here from Pakistan. That was solely down to him!! Incompetence at the highest level. We we’re practically clear of Covid until this introduced the new strain into the country. Allowing Ascot races was another one. People not social distancing!! Yet in Church services people are not allowed to sing Hymns. Double standards or what? I don’t know how the man sleeps 👎
 
It's beyond moronic to think the public would have been compliant with a lockdown at the end of February 2020.

The left seems to get aroused about locking people up and taking away their freedoms. It really brings out their inner authoritarian.
 
My view on Covid from the start has been that the damage, much of it permanent, done by the endless lockdowns and everything associated with them outweighs the damage we would have seen without lockdowns. It's almost limitless. The measures have gone too far, for too long.
Kids growing up through this nonsense will be scarred or at least psychologically conditioned for life - as if they're not having enough garbage shoved down their throats.
People have lived in fear and wasted precious time in their lives.
Livelihoods have been destroyed, businesses lost, entire sectors ruined.
More suicides than ever, more depression than ever.
More deaths from other conditions due to cancelled appointments or being scared away from visiting hospitals.
Breakdown in relationships, families falling apart.
Permanent conditioning regarding things like mask wearing, distancing and OTT hygiene considerations.
Work from home will become normal. That's not a healthy thing.
Things that fly in the face of the freedom people previously took for granted will become permanent.
The vaccine passport to enable free movement possibility is despicable.
On and on.
It's going to be a strange world moving forward. A worse one than before.

I absolutely hate how it's highlighted the vulnerability of the population. They've swallowed everything, bought into the fear, panicked and obeyed. Trusting and giving themselves over to a clownish government and the ever unquestionable 'science'. People brainwashed to the point they walk around outside with masks on, etc. It hurts me to see it. They could be told to do anything, and they'd do it.

Young people coerced into getting vaccines they do not need. Vaccines only approved on an emergency basis, that have not been tested over long periods. Vaccines that can have deadly side effects such as heart inflammation - especially among young men, according to that video. The healthy have nothing to gain, only something to lose. But the young people will now fall over themselves to get vaccinated - all for the wrong reasons. The month delay to 'freedom day' here was a masterstroke. It was always going to be the case that depriving people for barely a year would be enough to get them to resort to anything. Weak. Then you see some of the pathetic sad fucks celebrating deliriously over having a needle stuck in their arm...... Jesus.

The push to get young people vaccinated for something that poses them no threat is unprecedented and makes me suspicious. The level of control and dictatorship exerted in the name of Covid across the world has gone above and beyond what's reasonable and also makes me suspicious. I struggle to believe it's just about public health. Some of these cu nts in governments and science have never had so much power, and they don't want to let it go.

It was all 'just wait for the vaccine'. Now the 'vulnerable' are all double jabbed yet we have to carry on as if......... the vaccines don't actually work. Or maybe mask wearing has simply become such a strong woke cult-like gesture of virtue that we're just not willing to let it go.

It's set up perfectly to have no end point. A great tool was 'don't need symptoms to have Covid' - fantastic control mechanism. Now just wait for the Venezuela variant, the 26th wave and various declarations that 'we need to develop new vaccines' and anything else they think of that will allow this thing to go on indefinitely. Maybe we don't stop until zero deaths?

The survival rates are ridiculously overwhelming, even among the very old, to the point that it makes a mockery of the entire narrative around it. You could be forgiven for thinking it's the plague, and that it's been our modern equivalent of wartime, with us bravely battling through it! And many of the 'Covid deaths' haven't even been Covid deaths - it's just on the certificate.

If you're old, and aren't going to have any more kids, getting the vaccine is less of an issue. But brainwashing and forcing it on the young is wrong. Suppressing, hounding, threatening and 'cancelling' any educated voices offering a balanced guide and the information required to make a decision on what is a serious matter, especially regarding kids' vaccinations, is incredibly wrong and if that doesn't indicate what a fucked up dystopia we're living in nothing will. I listen to people like those in that video, and to think they're enemies of their country is sickening. Canada in particular seems to be in a horrible state.
 
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We are informed that Flu will be this winters silent assasin and not Covid in any of its variants.
Time to open up internally. Fair enough keep those out coming from crazy hotspots but let us get on with life within England.
 
Raumdeuter said:
You're wrong as usual. the turnout tells the story.

Taking the self serving Bercow into your bosom ? You do know back when he was in the Monday Club he was a supporter of privatising the NHS ?

You're on the fringe of far left politics. You have no idea what ordinary people want and don't want.
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I’m a socialist and proud to be so. There was a exchange of 24,000 votes From a 16,000 majority for your gang to an 8,000 for the Lib Dem’s. No matter how you paint it it was a annihilation for your party, fact!! You are far right wing and you have no idea what ordinary folk want. They certainly don’t want the HS2 like the majority of the ordinary people in this country. That’s another fact !!
 
Charliejoejohn2 said:
I’m a socialist and proud to be so
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Charliejoejohn2 said:
There was a exchange of 24,000 votes From a 16,000 majority for your gang to an 8,000 for the Lib Dem’s.
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The majority of the Tory vote stayed at home and the Lib Dems picked up 6k more (mostly from Labour you'd assume) votes than in 2019. I have no idea what this 24k exchange is your talking about. And why in the same post as claiming to be a socialist are you kissing the Lib Dem''s arse ?​
 
Raumdeuter said:
It's beyond moronic to think the public would have been compliant with a lockdown at the end of February 2020.

The left seems to get aroused about locking people up and taking away their freedoms. It really brings out their inner authoritarian.
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O yes they would have been compliant. People were frightened as to what was happening with Covid. What I’d called moronic is lockdown not being put in place earlier plus coming out of lockdown too early. Even more moronic was not to stop people coming here from countries rife with the virus. Cases had been very low a month ago and then in his wisdom Johnson decides to let plane loads of people come here from India when it should have been in the red category like it’s neighbour Pakistan. Cases now back to 10,000 per day. Yet another stupid decision 👎 Cummings said yesterday that this set running the country haven’t a clue. Its like a rudderless ship without a captain. I would have to agree with that statement.
 
Raumdeuter said:



The majority of the Tory vote stayed at home and the Lib Dems picked up 6k more (mostly from Labour you'd assume) votes than in 2019. I have no idea what this 24k exchange is your talking about. And why in the same post as claiming to be a socialist are you kissing the Lib Dem''s arse ?
[/QUOTE No I wouldn’t assume the Lib Dem’s gained 6k more mostly from Labour but I’ll check and let you know 😉
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Chronic said:
My view on Covid from the start has been that the damage, much of it permanent, done by the endless lockdowns and everything associated with them outweighs the damage we would have seen without lockdowns. It's almost limitless. The measures have gone too far, for too long.
Kids growing up through this nonsense will be scarred or at least psychologically conditioned for life - as if they're not having enough garbage shoved down their throats.
People have lived in fear and wasted precious time in their lives.
Livelihoods have been destroyed, businesses lost, entire sectors ruined.
More suicides than ever, more depression than ever.
More deaths from other conditions due to cancelled appointments or being scared away from visiting hospitals.
Breakdown in relationships, families falling apart.
Permanent conditioning regarding things like mask wearing, distancing and OTT hygiene considerations.
Work from home will become normal. That's not a healthy thing.
Things that fly in the face of the freedom people previously took for granted will become permanent.
The vaccine passport to enable free movement possibility is despicable.
On and on.
It's going to be a strange world moving forward. A worse one than before.

I absolutely hate how it's highlighted the vulnerability of the population. They've swallowed everything, bought into the fear, panicked and obeyed. Trusting and giving themselves over to a clownish government and the ever unquestionable 'science'. People brainwashed to the point they walk around outside with masks on, etc. It hurts me to see it. They could be told to do anything, and they'd do it.

Young people coerced into getting vaccines they do not need. Vaccines only approved on an emergency basis, that have not been tested over long periods. Vaccines that can have deadly side effects such as heart inflammation - especially among young men, according to that video. The healthy have nothing to gain, only something to lose. But the young people will now fall over themselves to get vaccinated - all for the wrong reasons. The month delay to 'freedom day' here was a masterstroke. It was always going to be the case that depriving people for barely a year would be enough to get them to resort to anything. Weak. Then you see some of the pathetic sad fucks celebrating deliriously over having a needle stuck in their arm...... Jesus.

The push to get young people vaccinated for something that poses them no threat is unprecedented and makes me suspicious. The level of control and dictatorship exerted in the name of Covid across the world has gone above and beyond what's reasonable and also makes me suspicious. I struggle to believe it's just about public health. Some of these cu nts in governments and science have never had so much power, and they don't want to let it go.

It was all 'just wait for the vaccine'. Now the 'vulnerable' are all double jabbed yet we have to carry on as if......... the vaccines don't actually work. Or maybe mask wearing has simply become such a strong woke cult-like gesture of virtue that we're just not willing to let it go.

It's set up perfectly to have no end point. A great tool was 'don't need symptoms to have Covid' - fantastic control mechanism. Now just wait for the Venezuela variant, the 26th wave and various declarations that 'we need to develop new vaccines' and anything else they think of that will allow this thing to go on indefinitely. Maybe we don't stop until zero deaths?

The survival rates are ridiculously overwhelming, even among the very old, to the point that it makes a mockery of the entire narrative around it. You could be forgiven for thinking it's the plague, and that it's been our modern equivalent of wartime, with us bravely battling through it! And many of the 'Covid deaths' haven't even been Covid deaths - it's just on the certificate.

If you're old, and aren't going to have any more kids, getting the vaccine is less of an issue. But brainwashing and forcing it on the young is wrong. Suppressing, hounding, threatening and 'cancelling' any educated voices offering a balanced guide and the information required to make a decision on what is a serious matter, especially regarding kids' vaccinations, is incredibly wrong and if that doesn't indicate what a fucked up dystopia we're living in nothing will. I listen to people like those in that video, and to think they're enemies of their country is sickening. Canada in particular seems to be in a horrible state.
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I'm going to have to disagree with some of what you've written Herbs, although we do agree on several points. I've read 1000 posts on a 1000 forums, telling me about the 'damage' that lockdowns do. Some of it is anecdotal, some like suicide numbers are just made up to sound shocking. The fact is that everyone, including the people imposing them, know that lockdowns cause damage. The question is, is it worse to lockdown or not lockdown.

From the evidence we have, and the evidence on the 'let it rip' side is fairly patchy but also somewhat damning, suggesting clearly that slowing the transmission is a very good thing, I'd suggest, then lockdowns absolutely work.
The knock on from fewer people being infected is that fewer people have needed to have time in hospital or die as a result. In the end, lockdowns have given the breathing space that was needed to find the real solution which is the vaccine. This is one thing.

We have to acknowledge that there isn't a good solution, by means of one where we get far more good outcomes than we have by doing what we've done. People said 'Sweden', No. People said, 'Brazil', no. This is a situation where lots of us were going to lose, and lose badly. There was never a great alternative.

I dont find it sad that people have followed advice, largely, and that they continue to do so. There are more people than I thought who can see above their own petty views and predjudices to a 'greater good'. Its not exactly the 'Blitz Spirit', well even that wasn't what it has been cracked up to be, but enough people have thought about their civic responsibilities to bear it with good grace.

Experts. It has become self-evident that 'experts' are really nothing more than the sum of their opinions, and that their opinions are coloured, biased or even downright wrong or corrupt, often from their political views. We should never forget that experts by their nature, imagine themselves to be right, and that being an expert on one subject automatically seems to make them an expert in everything. I understand why their advice has been taken as read by the politicians. However, we should not be afraid to question the advice much harder, much of it has been shown to be wrong.

(We might also ask hard question of people who are predicting climate change over 50 years from now when most of them can't get their guess right for the next two weeks of Covid.)

What we have also seen another really important factor.

When the chips were down, the Mainstream media have been beyond appauling. Grindingly negative, attempting 'gotchas', undermining officals at every opportunity, spreading fake news. If there is to be an enquiry, their role should be very carefully scrutinised. No-one wants a 'happy, happy' message all the time, but the focus on deaths, and on trying to trick ministers with irrelevances has done more to damage mental health in this country than any lockdown ever could. I include HM Loyal Opposition, who appear to have treated this as a wonderful opportunity to advance their own political ends. Shame on them.

You talk about Covid passports and jabbing kids, neither of which has happened and looks unlikely to in the future. I was bitterly disappointed by the extension of restrictions myself. I feel like the whole class got detention for one kid not doing their homework. I think it was overly cautious, as the numbers are now bearing out, but I also understand that this is a one way gate, and no-one wants to have to turn around in three or six months time and come back again.

There is a great deal of work to be done in our society to bring some sense and context to thing that have really got out of hand while we've all had too much time on our hands. The sooner we can draw a line under this and start to tackle that, better for us all.
 
Handful Hancock, we can add acting like a thirsty teenage boy on duty to his list of 'errors of judgement'.

He was a remainer who leveraged far too much power in 2019, now he's drowning - which is fine, but he's undermining the government in the process which is far from fine. He needs to be sent to the back benches to sit with Tessa, Jav and Jeremy.

Give Health to Coffey, Shapps or better still bring Penny Mordaunt back in from the cold.
 
Matt Hancock. What a snivelling, hypocritical little w@nker.

Should rename himself Matt Tonguethroat.
 
Raumdeuter said:
Handful Hancock, we can add acting like a thirsty teenage boy on duty to his list of 'errors of judgement'.

He was a remainer who leveraged far too much power in 2019, now he's drowning - which is fine, but he's undermining the government in the process which is far from fine. He needs to be sent to the back benches to sit with Tessa, Jav and Jeremy.

Give Health to Coffey, Shapps or better still bring Penny Mordaunt back in from the cold.
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Shapps isn't strong enough with the unions to go to health, imo. Gove is your man, but he's busy elsewhere. Actually, its 2021 and for all the hoo-haa, Hancock seems to have fallen into a bit of a honey trap. He's been playing hide the sausage with someone well out of his league (wonder what she saw in him), thats barely a hanging offence nowadays. Dick veto's brain, and it takes two to tango. He wont be going anywhere until Boris wants him gone.

Wonder where Cummings got the video of Matts office from...? What else did he take away in his cardboard box...?
 
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