True that. I loved the footage of VP rocking from the outside when we were getting thrashed by Man City. More of that, less booing please.Be nice to ban the racists, not sure anyone other than the racists would disagree with that. But not for booing. With that said, the modern fan (not about this issue) seems to love to boo, I wouldn't mind them all f*****g off to be fair.
Not winning at half-time, regardless of performance is an excuse to boo nowadays. Maybe it releases some endorphins in the younger generation?Be nice to ban the racists, not sure anyone other than the racists would disagree with that. But not for booing. With that said, the modern fan (not about this issue) seems to love to boo, I wouldn't mind them all f*****g off to be fair.
Yeah, although I don't like it, you can't ban people for booing.
But they should absolutely be banning anyone who uses the booing as an opportunity to say something else.
To quote Mahatma Gandhi: "Wot?".But they should absolutely be banning anyone who uses the booing as an opportunity to say something else.
To quote Mahatma Gandhi: "Wot?".
Ahhh right, I get you.Even with my standpoint on this Platy, I'm not doubting there are some in the crowd who wait for the boo and then begin loudly muttering comments of another nature.
No mate. Shaming people into shutting up apart from for actual racist abuse (which is illegal anyway) would be totally counter-productive. It's an ongoing argument and it will develop and to and fro and if we're confident in our argument we'll persuade some people. But you have to make the argument, not tell people "shut up or else".Having suggested banning the perpetrators for life from every football ground, I've reconsidered and instead think that photographs of the booing individuals, should be printed on each clubs official and fan websites. Sort of a shame them campaign.
No mate. Shaming people into shutting up apart from for actual racist abuse (which is illegal anyway) would be totally counter-productive. It's an ongoing argument and it will develop and to and fro and if we're confident in our argument we'll persuade some people. But you have to make the argument, not tell people "shut up or else".
Could just try 'all lives matter'Having suggested banning the perpetrators for life from every football ground, I've reconsidered and instead think that photographs of the booing individuals, should be printed on each clubs official and fan websites. Sort of a shame them campaign.
To try and clear up some peoples misunderstanding of the use of, "Black Lives Matter," as a slogan. The protests started long before the George Floyd killing and was highlighting systemic racism, that is racism built into the institutions that are the backbone of society, as we know it. That particularly unsavoury incident, the murder of George Floyd, just fueled ordinary people up to get behind the protest. The protest itself is not only about 'black' lives mattering but about every life mattering, it's saying that if one person's life isn't valuable, nobody's life is valuable. Besides what else are you going to call it? Black, White, Brown, Olive, Red and Yellow coloured skinned peoples lives matter, rather long and unwieldy and boring, don't you think, while Black Lives Matter is short and snappy.
Jobs a good un, I find it strange that all these racist football fans were cheering Sterling's goal, surely if they are racists they would be booing his every touch like the Eastern European fans would if the game was played there.
This is the agenda BBC ITV SKY LBC radio has, it's not listening , it's just labelling people racist. Yet football fans are probably the least racist in this country than anywhere in Europe
Could just try 'all lives matter'
Sure, but equally my point was that people who view themselves as progressives, liberals, whatever, need to be loud in supporting freedom of speech for people who we disagree with. Telling people why I think they're wrong for booing is healthy debate, saying that they should be banned or shamed for it is really unhealthy. Society can go either way, and nobody will want to see censorship if it's them being censored.What there would be merit in (I think), is naming and shaming those convicted of racism/discrimination in a court of law. Can't do it on booing as this thread shows there are reasons to boo even if you don't agree with them. Can't do it ahead of charges being brought as that would be Contempt and give them an opportunity to wrongly get off if charges were then brought.
But after conviction, that's a different story if clubs wanted to show such a stand by pointing out racism/discrimination by showing recent convictions in a matchday programme/website etc.
Sure, but equally my point was that people who view themselves as progressives, liberals, whatever, need to be loud in supporting freedom of speech for people who we disagree with. Telling people why I think they're wrong for booing is healthy debate, saying that they should be banned or shamed for it is really unhealthy. Society can go either way, and nobody will want to see censorship if it's them being censored.
Could just try 'all lives matter'