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Racism in football/booing/the knee

Pangloss said:
Imagine if loads of high profile players announced that they're leaving Twitter indefinitely because of how bad it is? It would be horrific publicity and drive down it's share price and potentially drive some real change.
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This is what I don’t understand actually. I’ve seen some great posts, Rio Ferdinand for one has tagged every important man and his dog and rightly so. But how powerful would it be if these players (and ex players in solidarity) switched off their accounts?

It’s such a luxury that fans these days can be electronically a few seconds away from reaching an idol - in good ways and bad. When I was growing up, you might bump into the odd player outside Villa Park on a non-match day and grab a picture but that was it (if you don’t live in Sutton where you might see them all the time).

They no doubt have sponsorship and other KPI’s they need social media for, but those sponsors wouldn’t dare turn the income off for them off the back off coming off social media for these very credible reasons surely.

If I was Saka, Sancho, Rashford etc I’d taking strike action.
 
Pangloss said:
There's an undeniable base of actual fucktards behind a lot of this but I also think there will be 'outside interference'. This might not necessarily be Russia but just some very dedicated troll farms out there to cause problems, especially given the publicity this always drives.

Most football players are 'influencers' and make a lot of money out these platforms. Until they are prepared to forgo this income and make a proper stand against big tech the big tech companies will do the square root of zero about it.

Imagine if loads of high profile players announced that they're leaving Twitter indefinitely because of how bad it is? It would be horrific publicity and drive down it's share price and potentially drive some real change.
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They did it for three days a while back and then all piled back in on the Monday.
They will never forgo this income, they are a bunch of greedy bastards who will always put their wealth before their morals.
 
wittonite said:
They did it for three days a while back and then all piled back in on the Monday.
They will never forgo this income, they are a bunch of greedy bastards who will always put their wealth before their morals.
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This could be solved very quickly with enough effort. If influencers left twitter in droves and media agencies informed all of their clients that they will no longer be spending money on it then Twitter would be literally driven into bankruptcy overnight.

The question is whether people are actually genuinely willing to put their money where their mouth is on this subject.
 
col8 said:
I saw this mentioned in the Fans Group Question by Jonathan and ........


Taking the knee need not be an issue that really needs debate, if players wish to take the knee for 8 seconds prior to kick off let them. No one gets hurt by it, no one should be offended by it..... If other players or officials do not want to take the knee then its their choice. What is a disgrace is people booing and jeering someone who chooses to stand with their team mates and show solidarity.

I personally would be gutted to hear Villa supporters booing Villa players before a ball is kicked for taking the knee.

The players come onto the pitch to a massive Villa Park welcome, the tunes are banging out roars of Hi Ho Aston Villa fill the historical Villa Park and a section of the supporters then boo those same players.....
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Probably the right time to re-open this.

If we can try to keep it on topic though.
 
Pangloss said:
This could be solved very quickly with enough effort. If influencers left twitter in droves and media agencies informed all of their clients that they will no longer be spending money on it then Twitter would be literally driven into bankruptcy overnight.

The question is whether people are actually genuinely willing to put their money where their mouth is on this subject.
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I have a Twitter account but really don't get it, is it just for abuse. Every post gets abuse even if it's a serious one for a charity or good cause.
It seems to be THE platform for abuse, it even has Porn on it so I'm told
 
I do know having asked at an FCG, that the PL and I suppose other leagues (can't recall) will collectively decide on how to move this forward, so it isn't one club doing one thing, one doing another. Think that is the right way.

Also, think we need to get over ourselves and the political side of taking the knee, I am not sure the message gets through with them doing it that way, because of the way the arguments have ensued (as I've said, if the message isn't getting through, change the message) but to be honest, after the latest crap aimed at our wonderful, young, players, I think they can do whatever they feel is right and they will have my backing.
 
Moved a few posts from the Euro thread to this thread.

I must admit, I do wish they would collectively make a stand against Twitter. I do think it is the worst of the places. I have it at arms length these days, despite a good VV following, because i find it such an angry and world wearying place.

If they left, even if for a few months, many fans would back them and do the same I am sure.
 
The Fear said:
Probably the right time to re-open this.

If we can try to keep it on topic though.
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Ok, here we go.
I hate the politics of the hard left and will never see taking the knee as anything other than support for BLM and its policies.
That said I would never be so crass as to boo it at Villa Park, but some will.
So why cant Tyrone and others who are against people booing come up with something other than the knee that we can all get behind, and if you still get booing then you at least then know it wasnt just the knee.
 
wittonite said:
Ok, here we go.
I hate the politics of the hard left and will never see taking the knee as anything other than support for BLM and its policies.
That said I would never be so crass as to boo it at Villa Park, but some will.
So why cant Tyrone and others who are against people booing come up with something other than the knee that we can all get behind, and if you still get booing then you at least then know it wasnt just the knee.
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The progress through the Euros has been one where the cheers have drowned out the booing. From the Mings' point of view it is probably a bit exasperating when, after explicitly stating what it's about, people go no it's supporting Marxism. They probably think the association is being made to try to strangle their voices.
 
My thoughts are that they are perhaps preaching to the 95% of us that are converted "they" because I'm not sure who they need to find a way of getting to the 5%. That is a big problem as it is with all minority"groups" Anti Vaxxers, racists, flat Earthers, terrorists, etc etc .
Social media and mainly Twitter gives them the platform to spout their rubbish and the news channels then amplify it to the rest of us.

This may be off the wall but how about we ignore them like they do streakers these days, the camera pans away from them and they talk about something else.
keeping on about a subject just fuels hate, look at Covid how long did it take before we had Covid denying and anti Vaxxers, nut jobs, you will never rid the world of them .
So perhaps it's time not to give them air time , just a thought
 
wittonite said:
Yes, it is just that.
Opinions are entrenched on both side so it makes sense to come up with something else.
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This is the problem, people are entrenched. I've decided, whatever they decide, I'll back. Otherwise, it appears to be support for the arseholes (which in no way is it) but have said a few times, if the message isn't getting through, do something to make sure the message does get through.
 
Villan57 said:
My thoughts are that they are perhaps preaching to the 95% of us that are converted "they" because I'm not sure who they need to find a way of getting to the 5%. That is a big problem as it is with all minority"groups" Anti Vaxxers, racists, flat Earthers, terrorists, etc etc .
Social media and mainly Twitter gives them the platform to spout their rubbish and the news channels then amplify it to the rest of us.

This may be off the wall but how about we ignore them like they do streakers these days, the camera pans away from them and they talk about something else.
keeping on about a subject just fuels hate, look at Covid how long did it take before we had Covid denying and anti Vaxxers, nut jobs, you will never rid the world of them .
So perhaps it's time not to give them air time , just a thought
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Think that is the problem, some who are 'the converted' take offence being lumped in as if it is all football fans. And to the outside world, I think that is how it comes over.

But maybe we have to learn to not be so sensitive, it isn't about us.

Maybe players and influencers can also change the angle of the message somewhat. Like when Tyrone tweeted out about the people booing, then in the comments to his tweets, said thanks to those who clapped. Do it the other way around, make it clear the ***** are in a minority and the rest of us stand together.
 
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