Here we go!

[JC21]

I thought you knew what you were voting for?

They even wrote their manifesto years before https://www.amazon.co.uk/Britannia-Unchained-Global-Lessons-Prosperity/dp/1137032235

Did you believe the likes of Raab and Patel were campaigning for a true socialist paradise? Yes or no? (You like the pointless binary questions shorn of context, so you can have one now).

Why do you always have to copy what CP says? I don't think binary questions are pointless so I'll give you a straight answer (unlike some people). No, I didn't

We've had 10 years of Tory rule, can you explain why they haven't reduced workers' rights already to the EU minimums?

 

[Pope John XXIII]

Why do you always have to copy what CP says? I don't think binary questions are pointless so I'll give you a straight answer (unlike some people). No, I didn't

We've had 10 years of Tory rule, can you explain why they haven't reduced workers' rights already to the EU minimums?

My guess is threefold;

1) EU minimums wouldn't give the kind of economic impact they would want, and therefore wouldn't be worth the electoral unpopularity

2) The Brexit clan have only actually been the dominant power at Westminster since Johnson came in, and you can see that between Brexit and CV they have got nowhere on any economic, social or political agenda

3) they have yet to find a convincing narrative to sell to the (Leave voting, because former remainers are not real citizens in their eyes) public as to why we need to move towards being Singapore-on-Thames. Perhaps the chaos of a no deal brexit will give them this narrative

Not sure if any of these are true, or all of them. But these would be my guesses

 

[Strett]

Frost should propose a new ‘common theft policy’, whereby British people can remove whatever they want, anywhere within 80 miles of the coast in Europe.

 

[mao tse tung]

Just out of interest why won't there be any workers' rights?

Oh there will be workers rights; you will have the right to work or not to work, very much like the 1920's

I can foresee an escalation of zero hours contracts, the eradication of the minimum wage and maternity/paternity pay and holiday pay and sick pay and all of the other impediments which prevent the entrepreneurs in the Country from making a living.

I was going to say that you are sleepwalking into the low skills, low pay economy the Tories have been craving for so long, but there is no sleepwalking about it, they have been advertising it for long enough.

 

[JC21]

Oh there will be workers rights; you will have the right to work or not to work, very much like the 1920's

I can foresee an escalation of zero hours contracts, the eradication of the minimum wage and maternity/paternity pay and holiday pay and sick pay and all of the other impediments which prevent the entrepreneurs in the Country from making a living.

I was going to say that you are sleepwalking into the low skills, low pay economy the Tories have been craving for so long, but there is no sleepwalking about it, they have been advertising it for long enough.

Just to be clear, you're not blaming any of this on Brexit, are you?

The idea that the Tories will eradicate every workers' right is just as deluded as the notion that the EU is some kind of bastion for workers' rights.

 

[Strett]

Oh there will be workers rights; you will have the right to work or not to work, very much like the 1920's

I can foresee an escalation of zero hours contracts, the eradication of the minimum wage and maternity/paternity pay and holiday pay and sick pay and all of the other impediments which prevent the entrepreneurs in the Country from making a living.

I was going to say that you are sleepwalking into the low skills, low pay economy the Tories have been craving for so long, but there is no sleepwalking about it, they have been advertising it for long enough.

Yeah, that’s mostly bollocks.

 

[mao tse tung]

Just to be clear, you're not blaming any of this on Brexit, are you?

The idea that the Tories will eradicate every workers' right is just as deluded as the notion that the EU is some kind of bastion for workers' rights.

So you must think that all of the high profile Tory funders who speak of the benefits of breaking away from the EU, like abolishing sick pay and maternity pay are just as deluded.

I have a feeling that the likes of Bamford and Ratcliffe and Dyson will want a return on the millions they have pumped in to the Tory party, and they will want it fairly soon.

 

[mao tse tung]

Yeah, that’s mostly bollocks.

Yeah, just like zero hours contracts are a total mirage

 

[JC21]

Yeah, just like zero hours contracts are a total mirage

They're very real but the EU doesn't prevent them, so we can cross this one off as being attributed to Brexit.

 

[Strett]

The EU are pushing this towards no deal by their frankly bonkers request for 10 years’ unfettered access to U.K. fishing waters. If we do get no-deal because of this, the EU’s and France’s will be to blame.
Frost and Johnson will have to walk away from those demands.

 

[JC21]

So you must think that all of the high profile Tory funders who speak of the benefits of breaking away from the EU, like abolishing sick pay and maternity pay are just as deluded.

I have a feeling that the likes of Bamford and Ratcliffe and Dyson will want a return on the millions they have pumped in to the Tory party, and they will want it fairly soon.

I don't really want to get into this argument, it's been done to death but I am interested in how much you think Tory donors (and donors of other parties) have a say/degree of control over parties/governments.

 

[Strett]

Yeah, just like zero hours contracts are a total mirage

What’s zero hours contracts got to do with us leaving the EU and a Tory government?

 

[Basha73]

Or a country with better workers rights (which we already have), lower taxes for everyone, but able to be flexible and give state aid to the companies that need it ?

Why are the EU so scared of us ? Do they think we might make a success of it ?

With the people we have in charge I would be shocked if they were the slightest bit worried.

Or do you think we haven’t made a complete arse of it so far...?

 

[mao tse tung]

They're very real but the EU doesn't prevent them, so we can cross this one off as being attributed to Brexit.

I can fully understand a Brexiteer from your part of the Political spectrum being in total denial about the prospect of workers rights being eradicated, but how are you going to reconcile it when it happens?

Try going to your local Chamber of Commerce or other Business meetings in your locality and see what they think is going to happen; there are a lot of Business people expecting a huge dividend for their support and they know exactly the cuts that need to be made.

The ones I go to in the Birmingham area talk of nothing else, and that sentiment is not local to the West Midlands.

 

[mao tse tung]

What’s zero hours contracts got to do with us leaving the EU and a Tory government?

Was it not the Tory's, albeit under Cameron, who claimed that the threat of zero hours contracts had been overblown, only for them to expand out of all recognition?

I think it was.

When people tell lies on that scale I tend not to believe them in future.

 

[JC21]

I can fully understand a Brexiteer from your part of the Political spectrum being in total denial about the prospect of workers rights being eradicated, but how are you going to reconcile it when it happens?

Try going to your local Chamber of Commerce or other Business meetings in your locality and see what they think is going to happen; there are a lot of Business people expecting a huge dividend for their support and they know exactly the cuts that need to be made.

The ones I go to in the Birmingham area talk of nothing else, and that sentiment is not local to the West Midlands.

I'm not in denial at all. I accept that they'd like workers and unions to have no power/rights at all, I've seen it all my life and Blair even helped with this but there's a limit to where they can go with it.

 

[Strett]

Was it not the Tory's, albeit under Cameron, who claimed that the threat of zero hours contracts had been overblown, only for them to expand out of all recognition?

I think it was.

When people tell lies on that scale I tend not to believe them in future.

What ‘threat’? The decrease in unemployment didn’t equate to an increase in the rate of zero hours contracts, whose numbers increase in line with all employment.

 

[Basha73]

I'm not in denial at all. I accept that they'd like workers and unions to have no power/rights at all, I've seen it all my life and Blair even helped with this but there's a limit to where they can go with it.

Not if there’s nothing to keep them in check there isn’t.

 

[mao tse tung]

What ‘threat’? The decrease in unemployment didn’t equate to an increase in the rate of zero hours contracts, whose numbers increase in line with all employment.

No, it was emphasised at the time that zero hours contracts were there purely for the convenience of workers who wanted the flexibility; another lie.

 

[JC21]

Not if there’s nothing to keep them in check there isn’t.

For a start they could have already reduced the workers' rights to EU minimums (ours are above in everything) but we have something called a general election to keep them in check. I bet if you asked Keith and his team if they'd like the Tories to eradicate every right they'd be all for it.