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in_the_top_one said:
Well, despite some opposition to my positivity and optimism regarding vaccines on here (based on the information I could gleam, it wasn't just Bozo optimism), we now have three vaccine programmes that have released preliminary data from their phase three trials and all are reporting immunity of >90%!
That's well beyond the conservative expectations and much closer to our dreams.
Given that there are 179 candidates in the pipeline, with no fewer than 56 in human trials already, we are entering a good place. The chinese Sinovac results are just around the corner and that is one of five different vaccine methods entering human trials from China.


You can add to all that, the facts that:

-of the remaining few percent of people, where the vaccine 'failed' because the trialists contacted covid19, none had serious symptoms;

-other vaccines use different tech so we have a multi-pronged attack;

-human immune systems (in the form of memory T cells) are doing their job;

-there has been very good progress with treatments.


We don't yet know about their efficacy of these vaccines for the very old because they have not (to my knowledge) been included in the trials, but there have been promising results for those over 60. Nor do we know about the very young (where it doesn't matter quite so much) for the same reason. Nor do we know for how long they will confer immunity. However, we have certainly bought ourselves some time and even an annual shot wouldn't be the end of the world.

Many more will still die and get long term impairment, many more are likely to lose their jobs and businesses, and we have the worst of the economic health impacts to come. However, I think these new scientific results mean that we have moved past the end of the beginning and into the beginning of the end. Come the new year, the focus of attention will be the rebuilding challenge.
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I must be a socialist at heart as I'm thinking why couldn't this drive and determination have been put into vaccines for malaria and the like, which are prevalent in countries where mortality doesn't seem as important.
I've probably answered my own question there.
 
strettea red said:
I must be a socialist at heart as I'm thinking why couldn't this drive and determination have been put into vaccines for malaria and the like, which are prevalent in countries where mortality doesn't seem as important.
I've probably answered my own question there.
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Exactly the same as treatments for childhood cancer, which I read recently have barely moved forward from the 1970s in some cases because they are too rare to make it profitable to put research in.

On top of that, some of these vaccines are expensive. The new American vaccine is $60 per double dose, which will put it out of reach of much of the planet.

Short of huge investment by national governments, I'm not sure what the answer is. I suppose it would make sense to be part of some large bloc that could pool it's scientific resources and share the investment and cost. Some kind of union of near neighbours....
 
Pope John XXIII said:
Exactly the same as treatments for childhood cancer, which I read recently have barely moved forward from the 1970s in some cases because they are too rare to make it profitable to put research in.

On top of that, some of these vaccines are expensive. The new American vaccine is $60 per double dose, which will put it out of reach of much of the planet.

Short of huge investment by national governments, I'm not sure what the answer is. I suppose it would make sense to be part of some large bloc that could pool it's scientific resources and share the investment and cost. Some kind of union of near neighbours....
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Not sure the union thing is an option, there seems to be with the Covid-19 vaccine a 'race' among national scientists to come up with this. There's knighthoods, Nobels, etc. up for grabs.

Also, most great medical advances occurred prior to 1993, so there.
 
There are calls, from the Royal Academy no less, for criminal sanctions to be handed out for those found to be spreading misinformation about Covid.

In other news, 4000 deaths a day.
 
Old Red Fart said:
I've just tried to read the last 4 or 5 pages on this subject, can't remember what it was about originally.

Then I went out and bashed my head against the nearest brick wall.

Feel much better now.

:yes:
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Don't do that ORF, just have a titter at the wit and sense of realism I often bring to this forum. Also, if you nut the wall, you may fall, and did you know that 646,000 deaths occur annually from falls? Des O'Connor being the latest one we have heard about.

Take care out there, it's a scary place.
 
strettea red said:
Don't do that ORF, just have a titter at the wit and sense of realism I often bring to this forum. Also, if you nut the wall, you may fall, and did you know that 646,000 deaths occur annually from falls? Des O'Connor being the latest one we have heard about.

Take care out there, it's a scary place.
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Got to hand it to you Stretts, you do have a sense of humour and it shows in your posts. Wish it applied across the board though.
 
pebble said:
But you're still debating, so not too tired to check links if you wanted to.

I'm amazed anyone's still claiming the EHRC is fit for purpose after it said the BBC hadn't broken any equal pay laws.
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But they did not break any laws; which just goes to show how unfit the current laws are.

Laws are as decreed by statute, not on whether you like them or not.

The BBC run a pay grading system which is totally unfit for purpose and far too subjective.

The pay bandings over lap to an extent were female managers were earning less than male colleagues under their supervision.

That may be perfectly legal but is it morally and ethically correct?

Is it fuck!

The EHRC is an independent body who adjudicate against cases in line with current legislation; it is not for them to decide if the law is an ass.
 
mao tse tung said:
But they did not break any laws; which just goes to show how unfit the current laws are.

Laws are as decreed by statute, not on whether you like them or not.

The BBC run a pay grading system which is totally unfit for purpose and far too subjective.

The pay bandings over lap to an extent were female managers were earning less than male colleagues under their supervision.

That may be perfectly legal but is it morally and ethically correct?

Is it fuck!

The EHRC is an independent body who adjudicate against cases in line with current legislation; it is not for them to decide if the law is an ass.
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It is for them to decide who to investigate in the first place, and considering they are run by a former tory contractor, have removed people who wanted to investigate tories, and had secret tory donors as commissioners, there's reason to suspect that they aren't entirely politically independent.
 
pebble said:
Because you and CP are so convinced that the EHRC report was unbiased and justified. Just pointing out one major weakness.
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It appears major weaknesses are quite prevalent today!

Your whole argument appears to have been blown out of the water by non other than Jeremy Corbyn.

“The publication of the EHRC report should have been a moment for the Labour party to come together in a determination to address the shortcomings of the past and work as one to root out antisemitism in our own ranks and wider society,” he said.

“To be clear, concerns about antisemitism are neither “exaggerated” nor “overstated”. The point I wished to make was that the vast majority of Labour party members were and remain committed antiracists deeply opposed to antisemitism.”

There you go!

Those are the very latest words from the man himself:

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ur-antisemitism-concerns-were-not-exaggerated
 
i am a tree said:
It is for them to decide who to investigate in the first place, and considering they are run by a former tory contractor, have removed people who wanted to investigate tories, and had secret tory donors as commissioners, there's reason to suspect that they aren't entirely politically independent.
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Bacofoil* is in short supply at the moment. I was thinking it was to do with Christmas approaching.

*Other baking metallic sheets are available for fashioning into hats.
 
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