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da fuq said:
He gets like that when he is called out on his bullshit

It's a common theme with him going back years

He is very much a bully

Makes snidey comments and then also plays the martyr or the victim
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The old tropes are all out

Going back years

You'll talk about the 606 days next, even though I never even heard of that forum till it was long gone.

The Champagne socialist who backed the wrong horse now blames everyone else who warned him. The bloke who reckons he's had every job under the sun who has perfected the art of talking shit as if it were indisputable fact.

The socialist landlord who is more bowled over by a bit of money than anyone else I have ever encountered. Seriously, this guy worships people with money.

The guy who threw his knickers at Al Hasawi as soon as he flashed a couple of pound notes (3 months late). I have never, ever seen anyone attack fans of his own club as viciously as DF did during Davies's second coming. Anyone questioning Davies's decisions to ban the press, or anyone daring to say anything at all against Fawaz was a HATER.

He even left the forum "in a blaze of glory" to get away from the HATERS only to slink back under a different name and tell me to commit suicide.

A guy who said once that Millwall at home (literally about 5 years ago) was the first home defeat he had ever seen and then quickly backtracked when people quickly spotted that this meant he wasn't quite the lifelong fan he claimed to be.

The guy who very clearly said he had properties and was renting them out, now hides behind "other people making stories in their heads" rather than owning either the lie or the truth.

You have some nerve even being on here after the Fawaz years, but that's not for me to decide and anyone can change. Not DF though. He now turns that hatred onto people who voted for the party he claims to support
 
Pope John XXIII said:
The old tropes are all out

Going back years

You'll talk about the 606 days next, even though I never even heard of that forum till it was long gone.

The Champagne socialist who backed the wrong horse now blames everyone else who warned him. The bloke who reckons he's had every job under the sun who has perfected the art of talking shit as if it were indisputable fact.

The socialist landlord who is more bowled over by a bit of money than anyone else I have ever encountered. Seriously, this guy worships people with money.

The guy who threw his knickers at Al Hasawi as soon as he flashed a couple of pound notes (3 months late). I have never, ever seen anyone attack fans of his own club as viciously as DF did during Davies's second coming. Anyone questioning Davies's decisions to ban the press, or anyone daring to say anything at all against Fawaz was a HATER.

He even left the forum "in a blaze of glory" to get away from the HATERS only to slink back under a different name and tell me to commit suicide.

A guy who said once that Millwall at home (literally about 5 years ago) was the first home defeat he had ever seen and then quickly backtracked when people quickly spotted that this meant he wasn't quite the lifelong fan he claimed to be.

The guy who very clearly said he had properties and was renting them out, now hides behind "other people making stories in their heads" rather than owning either the lie or the truth.

You have some nerve even being on here after the Fawaz years, but that's not for me to decide and anyone can change. Not DF though. He now turns that hatred onto people who voted for the party he claims to support
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Good grief just about everything you have just said is wrong or a manipulation of the truth

Look how hard you are trying - the truth always hurts you and always gets a massive reaction from you

Even trying to add additional bullshit on top of the movies you have made in your head

I'm glad you have a running total of all the grievances you have with me

It's nice to know that you do have some kind of memory all though it is very eschewed because you have a Red Tory addled mind
 
Pope John XXIII said:
If the Democrats win both houses the first thing they need to do is voluntarily curb the powers of the presidency, starting with eliminating the presidential pardon.

They need to anticipate any scheme the GOP might come up with to subvert democracy with a different president and then close that constitutional loophole
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All that is easier said than done though. The House is hard to retake this time and the leader of the house, Mitch McConnell is an archetypal political evil villian. The GOP has already stacked the courts ( at all levels) and trump has cleared a path (however unintentionally) for an actual politician to follow.
A lot of the damage is already done and there is much work needed to avoid a catastrophe for democracy there.

Despite what Strettea thinks, the US are very close to imploding into an actual Fascist state at this point.
 
InvincibleBrianMan said:
All that is easier said than done though. The House is hard to retake this time and the leader of the house, Mitch McConnell is an archetypal political evil villian. The GOP has already stacked the courts ( at all levels) and trump has cleared a path (however unintentionally) for an actual politician to follow.
A lot of the damage is already done and there is much work needed to avoid a catastrophe for democracy there.

Despite what Strettea thinks, the US are very close to imploding into an actual Fascist state at this point.
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I agree, but a democratic president and house proposing to curb their own powers to push a more centrist agenda will be attractive to even McConnell.

He is a weak mollusc who has enabled Trump and covered for him. But that doesn't mean the GOP have actually liked Trump. He is not and never has been "one of them". He is allied to but not part of the GOP.

I don't think it is outside the realms of possibility that GOP senators might vote to tighten to constitution, not only to limit the powers of a Dem president they oppose but to prevent them having to manage another Trump in the future.

The Dems proposing a self denying ordinance and the GOP opposing it wouldn't be great conservative optics
 
Pope John XXIII said:
I agree, but a democratic president and house proposing to curb their own powers to push a more centrist agenda will be attractive to even McConnell.

He is a weak mollusc who has enabled Trump and covered for him. But that doesn't mean the GOP have actually liked Trump. He is not and never has been "one of them". He is allied to but not part of the GOP.

I don't think it is outside the realms of possibility that GOP senators might vote to tighten to constitution, not only to limit the powers of a Dem president they oppose but to prevent them having to manage another Trump in the future.

The Dems proposing a self denying ordinance and the GOP opposing it wouldn't be great conservative optics
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I think you have a lot more faith in the GOPs ability to be reasonable than I do.
 
The two most powerful nations on earth, China and the USA, both headed up by bullies. USA on the way down and China on the way up. And I've got a funny feeling that China will turn out to be worse than what we're used to.
 
Old Red Fart said:
The two most powerful nations on earth, China and the USA, both headed up by bullies. USA on the way down and China on the way up. And I've got a funny feeling that China will turn out to be worse than what we're used to.
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The USA is on the way down? There has been an economic hit because of the Chinese Virus, but they are not on their way down.
 
Old Red Fart said:
The two most powerful nations on earth, China and the USA, both headed up by bullies. USA on the way down and China on the way up. And I've got a funny feeling that China will turn out to be worse than what we're used to.
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ORF I've commented on China a few times on the better Brexit thread in Off Topic. The Western long term approach has been that better education and more wealth through trade would bring about democracy there. It's clear that this isn't the case though, in fact the dictators seem to thrive on the economic wealth they have brought in. For years though they have been locking up ethnic minorities, building artificial islands to expand their territories, building massive projects by stealing land , locking up (or worse) anyone who disagrees with them. Most nations want money and trade more than they want to improve the human rights of inhabitants of other countries. Will be interesting to see how far the West will actually go this time.

Saw a programme the other night that said Sheffield gets £120 million (presumably per annum) from Chinese students. Nottingham Uni also has thousands of Chinese students, and also a replica of it in Ningbo. Our universities have massive Chinese run societies which the Universities won't upset. Even HSBC bank seems to be supporting what the Chinese Government are doing in Hong Kong. We are coming to a crunch time, but my money is that China and the West will just go back to the recent relationship.


https://www.britishcouncil.or.th/en/the-university-of-nottingham-ningbo-china
 
strettea red said:
The USA is on the way down? There has been an economic hit because of the Chinese Virus, but they are not on their way down.
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Ha ha ha

We are watching an empire collapse we wont have to research it or read about it in history books it is actually happening now

I'm sure others will point out the errors in my post but don't empires generally last about between 250-300 years

America is in the sweet spot right now

"According to archaeologists, palaeontologists, sociologists, etc, the average lifespan of a civilisation or empire since the first cities is around 250 years. They break the life cycle of an empire down into six stages:

Age of Pioneers

Age of Conquest

Age of Commerce

Age of Affluence

Age of Intellectualism

Age of Decadence


Trump and his right wing regime have accelerated it
We are seeing the anger of old men throwing everything at it to remain in control

I hope he gets another 4 years and puts the nail in the coffin

India and China are the real economic and intellectual power bases of the future even though they both have horrific human rights abuses

FFS they have even entered a kind of friendly space race with the potential advancement of the human race. Even the UAE are sending stuff to Mars

What are the USA and Britain doing?

Absolutely everything Putin wants them to do
 
Lienking said:
ORF I've commented on China a few times on the better Brexit thread in Off Topic. The Western long term approach has been that better education and more wealth through trade would bring about democracy there. It's clear that this isn't the case though, in fact the dictators seem to thrive on the economic wealth they have brought in. For years though they have been locking up ethnic minorities, building artificial islands to expand their territories, building massive projects by stealing land , locking up (or worse) anyone who disagrees with them. Most nations want money and trade more than they want to improve the human rights of inhabitants of other countries. Will be interesting to see how far the West will actually go this time.

Saw a programme the other night that said Sheffield gets £120 million (presumably per annum) from Chinese students. Nottingham Uni also has thousands of Chinese students, and also a replica of it in Ningbo. Our universities have massive Chinese run societies which the Universities won't upset. Even HSBC bank seems to be supporting what the Chinese Government are doing in Hong Kong. We are coming to a crunch time, but my money is that China and the West will just go back to the recent relationship.


https://www.britishcouncil.or.th/en/the-university-of-nottingham-ningbo-china
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I have been to the university in Ningbo. It felt deserted. Chinese universities are outrageously difficult to get into. I get the Impression that political connections helps, as does coming from a major city. I was told a rural boy had about a 0.04% chance of getting into Beijing university, which is the biggest one.

So rich parents send them over here to be educated. It is very much the second choice option. Your kid doesn't do well enough on the Gaukou exam so you send them to Oxford instead. Some smaller areas apparently pool their money to send one of the bright children abroad, although I'm not sure how often this happens.

The profliferation of British universities in China is very much the third option from what I could tell. Can't afford to send your child abroad then the poor man's option (though beyond the means of the vast majority) is to send to a British university in china.

I actually think the Chinese Communist position is getting precarious. Read Tim Marshall's excellent books; he posits that the Chinese people have an unspoken social contract with the Communist party; their freedom in exchange for perpetual high economic growth. He argues that when that slows down (as it is doing) or reverses (which it might) then that consent could crumble.

Already, having made two visits so far two years apart, I could tell that China felt more authoritarian the second time around. There were police vans and CCTV everywhere and it felt like there was a lot more police presence and a lot more reticence to talk. That to me is a sign of a government weakening, not strengthening.

Not sure about the USA. The existing models apply to conventional formal empires, not hegegomic ones
 
da fuq said:
Ha ha ha

We are watching an empire collapse we wont have to research it or read about it in history books it is actually happening now

I'm sure others will point out the errors in my post but don't empires generally last about between 250-300 years

America is in the sweet spot right now

"According to archaeologists, palaeontologists, sociologists, etc, the average lifespan of a civilisation or empire since the first cities is around 250 years. They break the life cycle of an empire down into six stages:

Age of Pioneers

Age of Conquest

Age of Commerce

Age of Affluence

Age of Intellectualism

Age of Decadence


Trump and his right wing regime have accelerated it
We are seeing the anger of old men throwing everything at it to remain in control

I hope he gets another 4 years and puts the nail in the coffin

India and China are the real economic and intellectual power bases of the future even though they both have horrific human rights abuses

FFS they have even entered a kind of friendly space race with the potential advancement of the human race. Even the UAE are sending stuff to Mars

What are the USA and Britain doing?

Absolutely everything Putin wants them to do
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That model deals with formal empires, not informal, hegegomic ones. We don't really know what the lifespan of an economic empire is, the concept is too new and we haven't seen one collapse yet

But undoubtedly the American model as it is cannot survive forever. No system can survive entrenching ever increasing inequality. There has to be a crunch bringing incomes closer together again at some point. Even maintaining a stable level of inequality can be difficult; it takes no genius to recognise that a society that has ever increasing (and ever quickening) inequality cannot maintain any kind of social contract.

As can be expected, America is torn between the poor and poorly educated and the better off, better educated. The parties now represent only one of these, not both. To get into power the Republicans spark a culture war.

Unfortunately, we are seeing exactly the same here and Dominic Cummings has been the architect
 
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