Nick Real Deal
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I cringed when he was on there. Pointless questions.
To be fair his questions are not representative of the norm on there.
I cringed when he was on there. Pointless questions.
IF, IF it can achieve that, it would be a massive win and the beginning of the end of this crisis,.- it would save countless lives.
But as of now, it is an 'if'.
“What the vaccine was definitely able to do was prevent pneumonia and prevent actually any virus in the lungs at all. If we have a vaccine that can prevent pneumonia, severe disease, hospital admission, ICU admission and death, then that’s pretty good. That, I think, would be enough for all of us.”
If the vaccine saves lives by lessening the severity of the virus initially with a possible follow up vaccine later its surely worthwhile.
see Mee's post:That's a treatment not a vaccine. Big difference.
Here is a link to one study which projects that 29% of the population could have already had the virus....nowhere near enough for herd immunity but still a large number and growing...even during the latter stages of lockdown they were reporting 6-8000 new infections a day.The authorities and the scientists will tell you that is because they had almost 100% adherence to the lockdown rules, far far higher than they thought they could achieve, sadly the projected immunity, is still low, but the positive news is that the immunity post infection may well be enduring - let's hope it is.
It’s interesting to note that London is stated as having one of the lowest new infections rates when it was the epicentre of the first wave...it could be indicative of an effective rate of immunity caused by the initial infection rate being several times larger than the hospital cases.....which would be good news.
Here is a link to one study which projects that 29% of the population could have already had the virus....nowhere near enough for herd immunity but still a large number and growing...even during the latter stages of lockdown they were reporting 6-8000 new infections a day.
I'm not sure what you're point is anymore - that we shouldn't have had a lockdown and we should have just let it rip, so had double, maybe even triple the deaths?
The lockdown has worked, but we now have a regional issue where some have and are still following social distancing rules and some aren't (mainly up 'north) and there the infection remains stubbornly higher than elsewhere.
If as some scientists are predicting it slows almost to a dead halt because of the measures taken by the end of June, then the lock down has been a success - the only arguable point then for me is that probably should have imposed it sooner.
The Astra Zeneca CEO on the Marr show this morning when asked about the initial testing seemed to say that none of the vaccinated monkeys progressed to having pneumonia but had the Covid virus in their nasal passages. At this stage they didn’t know if those monkeys were still infectious to other monkeys.
Im not sure if that means the vaccinated monkeys caught the virus or not.
On the positive side, apparently the pneumonia vaccine currently available will not stop the version of pneumonia created by Covid-19, or at least is unlikely to do so (again nothing definitive yet) so if the Oxford vaccine prevents Covid developing into pneumonia then it will be useful...not sure how that will be measurable in the short term....but the question remains if the vaccine deals with a major effect of Covid-19 but does not prevent people from becoming infected or infectious is mainly just a treatment for those already infected?
A report in The Times today infers the lockdown was two weeks or more too late.
They still messed up big time over the airports. Unforgivable mistake for me.