I didn't realise Farage was an MP. Interesting. You're full of interesting truths.
OK. I should have typed MPs/MEPs/politicians . Doesn't make any difference to the argument, but you win todays pedantry prize, and a great diversionary tactic.
I didn't realise Farage was an MP. Interesting. You're full of interesting truths.
Farage is not, nor ever has been an MP.Rather funny that Labour now see Tony Blair as a right wing fascist ! On a slightly more serious note there is a logical reason why Farage has been on QT so much. Only 25% of MPs voted to leave. If the BBC are going to get a 50/50 split of remainers and leavers (though they don't), the Leave MPs on average would have to be on 3 times each compared to each appearance by a Remain MP. Also there is always a Labour MP and a Conservative MP. These are chosen from a large pool of MPs, whereas the less frequent appearances from UKIP/Brexit Party , Green Party, Liberals come from a much smaller pool.
Oh, and please don't characterise Labour as hating Tony Blair. Da Fuq does, but he is neither a Labour member nor voter
Not going to disagree with any of that, but the yougov poll from last week asking whether Blair had had a positive or negative influence saw 38% of labour members polled sat negative compared to 26% say positive. So it's not exactly a majority.But Labour do tend to hate Tony Blair. The current leaders were asked who was their favourite Labour leader (or something like that). One of them chose someone who wasn't even a leader. Tony Blair did many years good work, but has only gone down in history for what happened in the Middle East, and the article I read said none of them would dare pick Tony Blair because of the animosity towards him, (not helped by his attempt to keeping us in the EU, getting the rest of us to dislike him too!). In reality , surely he was the most successful Labour leader ever, with few people anywhere near close to him. Three election wins, not a single defeat.
The referendum was a secret ballot. How do you know that 25% of MPs voted for Brexit? John Bercow never said how he voted. The current speaker has never said how he voted either. Lots of MPs are in that camp.
Not going to disagree with any of that, but the yougov poll from last week asking whether Blair had had a positive or negative influence saw 38% of labour members polled sat negative compared to 26% say positive. So it's not exactly a majority.
Remember also that for the last 5 years labour has very much been in thrall to the hard left, who never liked the centrist approach.
Iraq was an awful mistake but it was no worse than any number of other similar wars Britain has walked into. We don't look at MacMillan in the same way for Suez, the Americans don't look at Bush the same way and history will be kinder to Blair than the current generation are
You talk about tariffs, but assume that something will cost £12 to make in the UK and only £10 to make in the EU. But what if it's the other way round? We already have tariffs with the world. What if we sign deals with countries that have more raw materials. What if we have no tariffs on car parts, but tariffs on completed cars? The government is now in a position to influence these things. I must admit, I don't have a lot of faith in our government, but I have a lot more faith in them than I do the EU.
You said in a previous post that the Euro has nothing to do with the UK. It doesn't directly, but the ERM failed, and yet the EU is stupid enough to try an even more rigid version . It was relatively easy to get out of the ERM, but will Italy, Greece etc ever manage to escape the Euro.
I don't see leaving the EU as a panacea to cure all ills, though it's rather ironic that I get criticised for not seeing any downsides to leaving the EU (yes there will be some), but none of the Remainers seem to see any advantages.
I'm actually one of the few (and frequently the only person) who actually tries to explain what I consider the benefits of Leaving the EU. I respect your well informed and educated posts, and in your case (and any others) I am sorry if Brexit has caused you to suffer. I still believe I have the right (along with millions of other people) to hold the view we will generally be better off outside the EU, without being told to jump under a tram, or being called uneducated, thick, an idiot, a racist, unable to understand. I really don't see why I should have to explain in detail how the UK should deal with the Irish border, tariffs etc any more than I would expect you to explain in detail as to whether or not the EU should have a trillion euro budget, exactly what they should and shouldn't spend it on, spend money on CAP, their border policy, what they should do with the Irish border , how they will cure the Euro problems etc.
Iraq was an awful mistake but it was no worse than any number of other similar wars Britain has walked into. We don't look at MacMillan in the same way for Suez, the Americans don't look at Bush the same way and history will be kinder to Blair than the current generation are
Isn't it strange, for years you have made numerous statements about the referendum, but now it suits you, you play the secret ballot card . You said leavers were less well educated (but you don't know because it was a secret ballot), you say that leave voters are older (but you don't know because it was a secret ballot), and best of all today claim that Wales voted to leave, because the Welsh people voted Remain and the English people in Wales voted to leave (but you don't know because it was a secret ballot).
If you know otherwise, you are welcome to correct me, but the only figures I can find said 159 out of 650 MPs . 480 said they would vote Remain, and 11 wouldn't say.. It is pretty clear from their actions since how they voted, rather than the small surveys carried out on the general public.
11 MPs is not "lots of MPs" and I guess their behaviour since makes it pretty clear how they voted, and it comes out at around 25% however you work it out.
You keep saying this, but provide no evidence. As I've said before, if you draw a left right line and stand on the very left, the Marxists look right wing. No one came up with a reason why on Brexit day the BBC news did the studio up in EU colours. They failed to broadcast BJs speech, and worst of all produced a programme for kids that many ethnic MPs have judged to be racist, along with a performance by a well known anti-Brexit MP.
It's not contradictory at all.Isn't it strange, for years you have made numerous statements about the referendum, but now it suits you, you play the secret ballot card . You said leavers were less well educated (but you don't know because it was a secret ballot), you say that leave voters are older (but you don't know because it was a secret ballot), and best of all today claim that Wales voted to leave, because the Welsh people voted Remain and the English people in Wales voted to leave (but you don't know because it was a secret ballot).
If you know otherwise, you are welcome to correct me, but the only figures I can find said 159 out of 650 MPs . 480 said they would vote Remain, and 11 wouldn't say.. It is pretty clear from their actions since how they voted, rather than the small surveys carried out on the general public.
11 MPs is not "lots of MPs" and I guess their behaviour since makes it pretty clear how they voted, and it comes out at around 25% however you work it out.
Indeed, and one shudders to think how much of a mess the Iraq region would have been in had the Americans gone in alone without a more level headed and moderating British influence. But that isn't ever really consideredMost wars seem to be a mistake, but look what has happened in Syria where everyone seems to have adopted a more "hands off" approach. The dictator has won, Russia is helping itself, and 5 million refugees are pouring into Turkey.
Got no problem seeing the advantages of brexit, its just that none of it will benefit the british people at large. Just those at the top.
Paid for by who?For what its worth, I think it's more likely the lower workers will benefit. Hopefully higher wages, more training, and investment in productivity.
I tell you what LIEking for shit and giggles ill give you some names of the plants that have been rumbled and have been on multiple times and some times have actually had the make up department help them out and also no mention of the fact that some of them are Tory councillors
Christian Stevens
Layton Smith
Jim Swift
Jack Hickey
The actual list is a lot longer and that is from the last 2 years but i'm hoping you start taking it in
They never tell you what the audience do though. How many in the audience 400 ? How many shows since Brexit say 100 ? That's 40, 000 attendees. I've already come up with two Labour workers/councillors who were on one show, actually helping select the Tory leader (or trying to make them look silly). I guess a lot of the people attending are councillors, activists etc as Mr Bog Standard Man usually has better things to do. you really are stretching things a bit on this one.
Paid for by who?