Promotion or Tories Out?

[Lienking]

Earlier on in this thread, Lienking shamefully accused me of brainwashing young people to be left wing (still waiting for a retraction on that).

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I did not accuse YOU of brainwashing anybody. There is a difference between a generality where the TES says (if I remember correctly) four times as many teachers /lecturers vote labour to conservative, to me accusing you of anything. However many of these people (lecturers in particular) are teaching things like politics. Hopefully you don't let your own views flow into history teaching. I find it difficult to believe nowadays how pro-labour most young people are. Of course they aren't old enough to remember previous Labour governments. Blair's New Labour may not have been extreme left wing (slightly left of centre), but I don't ever remember people not calling Wilson and Callaghan left wing.

Over the years 80% of the time I have voted Labour. on other occasions (depending on the particular election), I have voted Liberal, UKIP, Brexit, various others and only on two very recent occasions Conservative. Strikes me there are people who would vote Labour/Conservative whatever they promised, because that's what they've done all their life.

 

[da fuq]

I did not accuse YOU of brainwashing anybody. There is a difference between a generality where the TES says (if I remember correctly) four times as many teachers /lecturers vote labour to conservative, to me accusing you of anything. However many of these people (lecturers in particular) are teaching things like politics. Hopefully you don't let your own views flow into history teaching. I find it difficult to believe nowadays how pro-labour most young people are. Of course they aren't old enough to remember previous Labour governments. Blair's New Labour may not have been extreme left wing (slightly left of centre), but I don't ever remember people not calling Wilson and Callaghan left wing.

Over the years 80% of the time I have voted Labour. on other occasions (depending on the particular election), I have voted Liberal, UKIP, Brexit, various others and only on two very recent occasions Conservative. Strikes me there are people who would vote Labour/Conservative whatever they promised, because that's what they've done all their life.

But they are old enough to know how awful the Tories are and that is the current zeitgeist and that is why most of under 34 year olds will vote this version of Labour

 

[in_the_top_one]

I did not accuse YOU of brainwashing anybody. There is a difference between a generality where the TES says (if I remember correctly) four times as many teachers /lecturers vote labour to conservative, to me accusing you of anything.

First of all it's well known that teachers and University lecturers are more left wing (probably like politicians and never worked in the real world) , and are probably brainwashing the students.

 

[weejockmcplop]

12 more days

Johnson got his arse handed to him by Marr today

Very surprising

If there was anything that could stop Johnson being elected it has already happened. Unfortunately people are morons.
Boris Johnson is a proven liar, who lied about almost everything he has said in this campaign, including the number of his own children. Not only that, but his party set up a fake fact checking Twitter account to represent him.

Think about that for a second. A habitual, constant liar being represented by a fake organization pretending to check facts.

It all came out and is public knowledge, yet people will still vote for him because the Daily Mail says Corbyn is evil.

There is no harm at this point in saying that the British public are fucking morons and deserve the pain that the tories will inevitably cause them.

 

[Lienking]

Re ITTO quote, which it fails to quote ! (Though I can see the none quote below!!)


Not entirely sure why you would post anything with no comments but

1) Clear from the above that I said nothing about Pope whatsoever, so not sure why he takes it personally.
2) You have reposted something that I have already said was mistyped.

 

[Lienking]

With reference to JCs £58 billion WASPI compensation. So 2 million people with a low income will lose their marriage allowance (£250) to pay for this ?

The Institute for Fiscal Studies, a think tank, said a quarter of the women in line for compensation had disposable income after housing costs of £37,000. Other figures show that half of the group have at least £50,000 in private pension savings.

Additionally, the arbitrary cliff edge of 1960 means that a woman born in 1961, whose retirement age changed from 60 to 65, would get nothing.

Also out of luck would be a man born in 1954, who, after the 2011 change, will retire a year later than expected with just eight years’ notice, as opposed to 15 years for some.

 

[in_the_top_one]

There is no harm at this point in saying that the British public are fucking morons and deserve the pain that the tories will inevitably cause them.

He could say that himself and still return the largest number of MPs.

 

[Bremen Tree]

He could say that himself and still return the largest number of MPs.

Sound familiar to another head of state

 

[Southern red]

We’ve now got Labour supporters calling the Labour leader an ‘absolute dickhead’ for telling the TRUTH. The 2/3 of Labour constituencies don’t want to hear about a second referendum, why aren’t you crowing about that, it’s this that’s ultimately going to cost Labour the election.

im not massively political but I deffo think this is spot on...JC has lost votes on his Brexit stance and alot of labour seats voted out

 

[MarlowBottom]

I have to agree with Pope, some of you Momentum loving loons are fooking insane. Yes this election is massively about Brexit, but it is also largely clouded by the majority of the populations fear of what damage Corbyn and his Marxist cronies would do to the country. Have any of you sane people read 'Corbyn's road map to a Communist Britain'???
It is truly terrifying, but well worth a read!!

 

[weejockmcplop]

I have to agree with Pope, some of you Momentum loving loons are fooking insane. Yes this election is massively about Brexit, but it is also largely clouded by the majority of the populations fear of what damage Corbyn and his Marxist cronies would do to the country. Have any of you sane people read 'Corbyn's road map to a Communist Britain'???
It is truly terrifying, but well worth a read!!

The populations fear of Corbyn comes from being told by billionaires that he is bad...

And believing them LOL.

 

[Southern red]

The populations fear of Corbyn comes from being told by billionaires that he is bad...

And believing them LOL.

if you cant see his ideals are bad for the country then they arent the only people believing in fiction

im just dissappointed in our entire population that people like abbott/corbyn,johnson are the best we can find

 

[MarlowBottom]

The populations fear of Corbyn comes from being told by billionaires that he is bad...

And believing them LOL.

Nothing to do with John McDonnell being a self confessed Marxist and most of Corbyn's aides and advisors being members of the Communist Party???

 

[weejockmcplop]

Nothing to do with John McDonnell being a self confessed Marxist and most of Corbyn's aides and advisors being members of the Communist Party???

No, frankly, because his policies are far more popular than he is, due to half a decade of attack ads by the press.
So when people are asked which policies they prefer they always go for Labour ones.

 

[Lienking]

No, frankly, because his policies are far more popular than he is, due to half a decade of attack ads by the press.
So when people are asked which policies they prefer they always go for Labour ones.

I would guess Labour's policies are popular with 95% of the public. I would love our £20k-£30k waspi money, free broadband, free uni education, cheap gas , electricity, rail travel...........


It's a bit like saying would you prefer a week in Skegness or a six month world cruise. Easy choice, until you find out who is paying for it all.

 

[in_the_top_one]

I would guess Labour's policies are popular with 95% of the public. I would love our £20k-£30k waspi money, free broadband, free uni education, cheap gas , electricity, rail travel...........

It's a bit like saying would you prefer a week in Skegness or a six month world cruise. Easy choice, until you find out who is paying for it all.

Sounds a bit like Take Back Control. Sounds great. No need to spoil it all with any plan or detail of what it is or how it might be achieved.

 

[Polly 433]

I would guess Labour's policies are popular with 95% of the public. I would love our £20k-£30k waspi money, free broadband, free uni education, cheap gas , electricity, rail travel...........


It's a bit like saying would you prefer a week in Skegness or a six month world cruise. Easy choice, until you find out who is paying for it all.

after the six month world cruise we would be sentenced to six months in Skegness.

 

[Southern red]

You can have your cruise but afterwards it’s 10 years in the Hebrides

 

[Forest-England]

Working class roots. My entire family worked for either Raleigh or players, my old man flogged suits to Tories or idiots like you looking to hire for a wedding and my mother worked reception for the NHS most of her life.

I'm originally from Clifton estate so throwing the likes of "Tarquin" and provence" at me really just makes you look as big an idiot as you obviously are.

That's before we get to the point where you explain to us that the most electrically successful Labour government (and one of the most electorally successful governments, full stop) destroyed the Labour party.

Do tell me how many genuinely socialist labour governments have been elected? I'll save you valuable thinking power; one. Clement Attlee's, just after the war, swiftly voted out of office. Do you have a world war in your back pocket to create the situation necessary for the British people to actually vote for socialism? Because that is the only way they will.

Your Ilk are absolute fantasists. The level of socialism this country will vote for is Blair's. That's the best you are going to get. This country will NEVER choose Jeremy Corbyn as prime minister and it will not vote as hard left as you are unless conditions are very different to now.

I know facing reality is hard your you space cadets, but there it is. You would rather be in opposition howling at the moon and feeling pure than compromise with what the electorate will accept and actually have to do something.

If you want to know my motivation, I have a severely autistic son at home who will not be able to cope long term in mainstream school and is probably going to need to be cared for his entire life. Tories have pulled, are pulling and will continue to pull funding from special needs provision, because by and large the public don't really give a toss about the disabled unless they are affected by it directly.

I need a labour government. I don't need free broadband or a lecture about past military interventions, I need a proper labour government that will manage the economy and get the higher level taxpayers onside to pay for the kind of care my son will need; as it was paid for during the new labour era for those that needed it

You might not need free broadband but there're many people out there that it would benefit.

What policy is so hard left?

Come on... David Miliband!! We'd be involved in more wars. Our foreign policy been f@cked up for years under every govt. We should hang our heads in shame apologise & say no more. It's time for change. & that's what we'll get under Corbyn. War just promotes more war more terror on our streets. While the elites make a fortune from it. We don't want to be involved with the war machine.

Before Corbyn Labour backed Austerity! They even gave ATOS the contract to get the sick & the disabled off vital benefits. Take a look at how many people have died after being told they're fit for work. Imagine if that was a relative of yours. How would you feel? Universal credit isn't fit for purpose. It's causing deaths & misery to so many people. Like I've said my partner works at a specialist disability school where you wouldn't believe the cuts that'they're going through. And funding for children to remain in mainstream schools has been
decimated. Children can't get the equipment that they need.

Attacking Corbyn not going to help you either. He's not the messiah.He's not perfect. He's many flaws. But give him a chance. It'll be the first time we've a leader that isn't part of the establishment. Someone that cares.

And don't forget that many of us voted for Blair that wasn't 100% behind him. He did do many great things. But also he got major things very wrong. That proved that Corbyn was on the right side of history.

Why do you think that the right wing media have attacked Corbyn from day one? They've thrown everything at him. And they would do the same to others. Apart from the Labour MPs that're from the right of Labour. The media is owned by the elites that want to cling on to power.

 

[Calvin Plummer]

Loving the economic excuses from Tories who got our recovery massively wrong and now want to push through Brexit, both of which are/were far more harmful than the odd pie in the sky proposal.