SE1_Gills
Vital 1st Team Regular
Agreed.
Lovell gone
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Agreed.
Durham - "...that Steve Lovell has been relieved of his duties...".
That statement does not say SL walked, it says he was sacked.
Stop backing up PS regardlessly. As for the technicality of legal implications, the club could have made a statement stating that, but no, Scally shoots his mouth off and nobody may suggest he is not right.
That statement does not say SL walked, it says he was sacked.
Stop backing up PS regardlessly. As for the technicality of legal implications, the club could have made a statement stating that, but no, Scally shoots his mouth off and nobody may suggest he is not right.
Rob_b100
Vital 1st Team Regular
Fully agree. Whether it is the city, football, any matter really. It is always best to keep shtum until things have been discussed with legal teams.
DurhamGills
Vital Squad Member
Just explaining why no comment was and still is the right response, technicalities of legal implications can be expensive
It doesn't actually say he was sacked - But IF SL was sacked albeit not at a time of the clubs chosing it is still the right decision
OneSirKeefy
Vital Football Hero
Hang on. He’s being attacked for saying nothing, not for shooting his mouth off.
I don’t know PS from a bar of soap apart from reading things on here. But I find myself , like Durham, wanting to somehow defend him. And it’s because everyone seems to shoot their own mouths off attacking GFC and Scally every single time something happens.
Despite the fact that no one at all except PS and SL knows what did happen.
And it’s always done straight away with no knowledge. Going all the way back to the Pulis episodes where everyone claimed Scally was the spawn of Satan. And then it came out TP was trying to blackmail PS and the club. Nope, it was still PS fault.
Captainreblue
Vital 1st Team Regular
OSK-
Yes he's done good things over the years, but that is usually followed by something to shoot himself or the club in the foot. By PS own admission in the telephone conversation he had with PT that ultimately lead to his sacking, PS had no intention of getting rid of PT at the start of that conversation, but that's how it ended.
I don't doubt for one minute that PS did not want SL to leave on Friday, but neither did SL want to leave the club, but due to PS stance on certain issues it ended in heated discussion in which PS decided there was no way forward to continue as manager. I have no doubts either that had SL resigned PS would've made that clear in the initial statement, why, one to absolve him of any blame and two to ensure no pay out. No manager under contract as SL was, in their right mind, would just walk away.
I also have no doubt that SL was going to be relieved of his duties in the summer, (along with the coaching staff) but the timing and handling of the meeting on Friday should have been handled better.
As I've said earlier in this thread which Durham didn't respond to or defend, it seems like history repeating itself.
Speaking from personal family experiences having known people that have worked for the club in the past and knowing a couple that still do PS is not easy to work with and is very much a you agree with me or bye bye type as he's said and proved numerous times over the years in spats with various people and organisations.
Yes he's done good things over the years, but that is usually followed by something to shoot himself or the club in the foot. By PS own admission in the telephone conversation he had with PT that ultimately lead to his sacking, PS had no intention of getting rid of PT at the start of that conversation, but that's how it ended.
I don't doubt for one minute that PS did not want SL to leave on Friday, but neither did SL want to leave the club, but due to PS stance on certain issues it ended in heated discussion in which PS decided there was no way forward to continue as manager. I have no doubts either that had SL resigned PS would've made that clear in the initial statement, why, one to absolve him of any blame and two to ensure no pay out. No manager under contract as SL was, in their right mind, would just walk away.
I also have no doubt that SL was going to be relieved of his duties in the summer, (along with the coaching staff) but the timing and handling of the meeting on Friday should have been handled better.
As I've said earlier in this thread which Durham didn't respond to or defend, it seems like history repeating itself.
Funny how all of these things happen to Scally though. We seem to be forever in the news for the wrong reasons. As someone else said, our handling of PR as a club is awful.
OneSirKeefy
Vital Football Hero
I don’t doubt any of that Captain (and GFC84 as I’m writing), and it could well be that PS just “went off”. But again it’s all just conjecture.
“Scally has history so it’s definitely his fault”.
Personally I’d say Steve, maybe quite rightly, wanted some kind of assurances re: next season and without flat out lying Scally couldn’t give those assurances. If it’s escalated from there it’s probably more SL escalating it than Scally.
But that’s all conjecture on my part.
Here’s another one. What if PS has said “Hey Steve, our home forms crap, we’re losing fans, they all reckon you are boring and stubborn and keep playing a useless diamond. They ain’t renewing tickets until you either change tactics or go. We want 3k tickets sold. So now we’re safe how about just trying a 4-4-2, stick Eaves back up top, get crosses in, and thrill the fans with a 3-0 home win. Whaddya say?”.
And SL replies “f*ck them and f*ck you. I pick the team and if you don’t like it I’m off!”.
Just conjecture.
“Scally has history so it’s definitely his fault”.
Personally I’d say Steve, maybe quite rightly, wanted some kind of assurances re: next season and without flat out lying Scally couldn’t give those assurances. If it’s escalated from there it’s probably more SL escalating it than Scally.
But that’s all conjecture on my part.
Here’s another one. What if PS has said “Hey Steve, our home forms crap, we’re losing fans, they all reckon you are boring and stubborn and keep playing a useless diamond. They ain’t renewing tickets until you either change tactics or go. We want 3k tickets sold. So now we’re safe how about just trying a 4-4-2, stick Eaves back up top, get crosses in, and thrill the fans with a 3-0 home win. Whaddya say?”.
And SL replies “f*ck them and f*ck you. I pick the team and if you don’t like it I’m off!”.
Just conjecture.
Captainreblue
Vital 1st Team Regular
I think your Scally just went off is mostly likely. As I've said earlier in the thread, he's got form.
SL was not in any way looking for an out, and judging by the reaction of the crowd at the game yesterday, if your second theory is correct it just shows how out of touch PS is, as most of the talk of people around me and that I spoke to was of the way it was handled, not that it happened. That is why PS got stick, not because it happened, that the timing if it was shit and with a bit more PR or man management PS could've avoided on Friday.
As I've said earlier in thread, as I understand it it was a scheduled meeting that got heated and the end result was SL being relieved of his duties/sacked. As I said, history repeating.
SL was not in any way looking for an out, and judging by the reaction of the crowd at the game yesterday, if your second theory is correct it just shows how out of touch PS is, as most of the talk of people around me and that I spoke to was of the way it was handled, not that it happened. That is why PS got stick, not because it happened, that the timing if it was shit and with a bit more PR or man management PS could've avoided on Friday.
As I've said earlier in thread, as I understand it it was a scheduled meeting that got heated and the end result was SL being relieved of his duties/sacked. As I said, history repeating.
DurhamGills
Vital Squad Member
So many assumptions and guessing - can you tell us the lottery numbers for next week.
For all the allegations against PS over the years we still have managers willing to work at the club and plenty return again and again despite their harsh treatment
Almost everything is conjecture on this thread. Sir Keith - you conjecture is no more or less likely than any of the other assertions I’ve heard... ...but it doesn’t suit the anti-Scally agenda.
jokerman
Vital Football Hero
We are not all agreed SL's time should have been up.
We do seem to be agreed, however, that this was a reasonable conclusion for PS to have reached.
If so, then the manner of its being conveyed is a matter for regret, but a small and unsurprising one in the scheme of things.
Time and a modicum of common sense and generosity should smooth this out.
We do seem to be agreed, however, that this was a reasonable conclusion for PS to have reached.
If so, then the manner of its being conveyed is a matter for regret, but a small and unsurprising one in the scheme of things.
Time and a modicum of common sense and generosity should smooth this out.
Captainreblue
Vital 1st Team Regular
If you're as connected to the club as you claim you'd know what actually happened. All you do is pretend to know but not have any real idea.
DurhamGills
Vital Squad Member
No I dont claim to be connected to the club but I do know PS pretty well.
All you do is assume that PS and the club are in the wrong - when you have no idea.
Stating that "I think your Scally just went off is mostly likely" is pure SHT when there could be 100 different scenarios - hey but the club must be in the wrong.
Captainreblue
Vital 1st Team Regular
So no-one within the club other than PS and SL know what went on on Friday in that meeting, is that what what your saying, Durham?
DurhamGills
Vital Squad Member
I would not know.
Happened so late on Friday I doubt if much more could have happened, legal agreements would need drawing up and the LMA informed etc.
Footbals clubs and the employment contracts are not like normal by any stretch of the imagination, not much loyalty by either side as its all about money
