Melon Donkey
I am a little bit perplexed
I'll go to Blackburn and hope we win but would take a defeat to instigate a change.
Give your head a wobble !
I'll go to Blackburn and hope we win but would take a defeat to instigate a change.
I don't think everyone thinks he had a shocker considering it was a tuff opening away game.Take the goal out of his performance at Hull and everyone would be saying Tommy had a shocker. I dont blame Bruce for not rating him, I and many others dont either. Just wrong not to get another CB in to replace him.
I don't think everyone thinks he had a shocker considering it was a tuff opening away game.
I think it would be fair to say it was probably the best defensive performance so far, with a great win, also Tommy scored.
Think your unfair and biased towards the guy.
Sorry but Elphick has the turn of an oil tanker. Off the top of my head I can think of numerous mistakes he has made
He was fucking awful at Hull. Left the ball for their goal then on at least 3 occasions got caught out by bad positioning and let them through - luckily other players saved his arse.
I can think of half a dozen games off the top of my head from his first season when Elphick had shockers as well - the vast majority were calling for him to be dropped when he was playing regularly.
Why would I be biased? I could just as easily throw that back at you.
Shouldn't these posts be in the Elphick thread?
I don't get the way a player is being castigated because he's made a few errors over a couple of seasons, while the manager is given a freebie by the same people, for making the same mistakes every week. Now that is bias.
Sorry but Elphick has the turn of an oil tanker. Off the top of my head I can think of numerous mistakes he has made
He was fucking awful at Hull. Left the ball for their goal then on at least 3 occasions got caught out by bad positioning and let them through - luckily other players saved his arse.
I can think of half a dozen games off the top of my head from his first season when Elphick had shockers as well - the vast majority were calling for him to be dropped when he was playing regularly.
Why would I be biased? I could just as easily throw that back at you.
And Jedinak has been even worse, which is the point.
Bruce should have identified centre back as the first priority when the transfer window opened. He has signed a striker, 2 wingers, 2 goal keepers, a youth right back and a midfielder so he has clearly had opportunities to bring players in but he refused to address centre half. Not only has he refused to address the situation but he has actually made it even worse by binning one of the only players in the squad capable of playing that position. You can debate whether you think Elphick is any good or not all you like; but he has in the past and still is currently playing as a centre back at this level which is more than can be said about the other available options in our squad because we literally have no one other centre backs in the squad apart from Chester.
Well the debate I was having was whether Elphick is any good, not if we should have signed another CB!
As I've mentioned numerous times, we should have got at least 1 if not 2 new CB's in. I thought Axel was supposed to be one of them, but apparently not.
The point being made on this thread is that Bruce (who clearly didn't rate the player) should have released Elphick at the beginning of the transfer window, instead of showing a model professional a complete lack of respect.
He then should have purchased two centre backs asap and played them in the preseason. My grandma could have worked that out. He has been negligant and clearly his decisions and lack of tactical ability have left the team vulnerable and lacking in belief in both themselves and him.
Many of us have lost faith in his ability to move the club forward which is why we think it's time for change.
The point being made on this thread is that Bruce (who clearly didn't rate the player) should have released Elphick at the beginning of the transfer window, instead of showing a model professional a complete lack of respect.
He then should have purchased two centre backs asap and played them in the preseason. My grandma could have worked that out. He has been negligant and clearly his decisions and lack of tactical ability have left the team vulnerable and lacking in belief in both themselves and him.
Many of us have lost faith in his ability to move the club forward which is why we think it's time for change.
I think he was stupid to let Elphick go with no replacement. Even if we'd not loaned him we'd have needed another centre back though. Bruce was one on the best centre halves of the early 90s so why how he's allowed the defence to get to this state is beyond me. I thought that was the point of him. "well the football will be dull as dishwasher but he'll get you organised". What's the point of him if he can't even do that?
Brentford.I’m just watching the Northern Ireland game. Eleven players playing with 100% effort. When did we last see that.
The point being made on this thread is that Bruce (who clearly didn't rate the player) should have released Elphick at the beginning of the transfer window, instead of showing a model professional a complete lack of respect.
He then should have purchased two centre backs asap and played them in the preseason. My grandma could have worked that out. He has been negligant and clearly his decisions and lack of tactical ability have left the team vulnerable and lacking in belief in both themselves and him.
Many of us have lost faith in his ability to move the club forward which is why we think it's time for change.
When a CB makes a few glaring errors over 3 years that cost us several points then he isnt going to rate very highly in my mind. As stated before, the majority of people on here were calling for him to be dropped previously.
I'm not giving Bruce a freebie so not sure what argument you are trying to start here. I've mentioned numerous times Bruce has made a mess of the defence this Summer. Its now reached the point where some are criticising every single decision the Manager is making to try and justify why he should be gone. In my mind the mistake he made was not bringing in another CB before shipping Elphick out.
There's no point bringing up Baker. He wanted to leave to get 1st team football. There's plenty of reasons to want Bruce out, I want him gone but I'm not going to blame him for things out of his control. Baker wanted to go, we'd have kept him if he'd been ok with being the next choice after Terry and Chester I'm certain.
Without signing another centre back in more annoyed about us loaning out Suliman then Elphick. Elphick was never going to get better, Suliman would improve just being around the 1st team squad and being on the bench. I've said this before but it really does sum up the culture of the club at the moment that we'd rather try to develop a 33 year old midfielder into a centre half than the England youth International captain who is a centre half into a better player. And before some smart arse comes in moaning about how you can't play young players in the championship I'm not talking about him starting week in week out. I'm taking about them being part of the squad and being on the bench.