WW3?
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colavfc
Vital Football Hero
Russian Vs ISIS. Have we found a war where we actually won't poke our nose in?
danvilla2
I’m not an expert
Goes without saying, a really shocking attack that.
The US warned of an attack in Moscow calling out a concert hall as a target a few weeks ago. I guess a tragic event like this for Russia can be used as emotional spin in some form or another. No doubt the West are to blame if you ask Medvedev. Kyiv might feel some recourse as Putin can use this to justify his attack on his neighbours.
The US warned of an attack in Moscow calling out a concert hall as a target a few weeks ago. I guess a tragic event like this for Russia can be used as emotional spin in some form or another. No doubt the West are to blame if you ask Medvedev. Kyiv might feel some recourse as Putin can use this to justify his attack on his neighbours.
danvilla2
I’m not an expert
If you read the news feed that I get on my phone, a nuclear fuelled WWIII is about to kick off at any moment! Must be the run up to elections, driven by conservative and autocratic funded media outlets around the world.
Pangloss
Vital Football Legend
I’ve watched a few videos including one of a bunch of people getting machine gunned to death. The death toll is now around 120. If there’s Chechen links then Chechnya will be getting turned into dust.
danvilla2
I’m not an expert
I’ve just read another saying they arrested people heading to the Ukrainian border. Somewhere is getting nuked.
I thought that Chechen guy who needs to discover a Gillette razor, was on the right side of Putin.
It’s going to end up in a lot of innocent people dying, but I suspect Putin and co will be happy with 140 sacrificial lambs dead to have an excuse to raze somewhere to the ground.
It’s a little harder for the US to influence against that, what with their support and loss of control of Israel.
BodyButter
Vital Football Legend
It's very early to tell much about the attack in Russia. It's highly unlikely to have anything to do with Ukraine although the Russians might try to spin it that way.
It's most likely to be Chechens. They have a bit of form for this stuff. ISIS doesn't really exist anymore so it definitely wasn't them although the Chechens and the 3 guys left in ISIS might be happy for them to claim it.
The Russians fought two wars in Chechnya in the late 90s. The truce that was agreed was that Kadyrov would take over Chechnya and run it pretty autonomously but as part of Russia. He has free reign there and puts down any opposition brutally. He is the archetypal strongman ruler. Either he did it as a fuck you to Putin, or someone else in Chechnya did it as a fuck you to Putin and Kadyrov.
Heads will roll for this. If one of those heads in Kadyrov, you'll know who was behind it.
It's most likely to be Chechens. They have a bit of form for this stuff. ISIS doesn't really exist anymore so it definitely wasn't them although the Chechens and the 3 guys left in ISIS might be happy for them to claim it.
The Russians fought two wars in Chechnya in the late 90s. The truce that was agreed was that Kadyrov would take over Chechnya and run it pretty autonomously but as part of Russia. He has free reign there and puts down any opposition brutally. He is the archetypal strongman ruler. Either he did it as a fuck you to Putin, or someone else in Chechnya did it as a fuck you to Putin and Kadyrov.
Heads will roll for this. If one of those heads in Kadyrov, you'll know who was behind it.
colavfc
Vital Football Hero
Hard to say if ISIS don't exist anymore. They respawn with even more hatred don't they. They lie dormant until they build up enough hate and enough martyrs and then they go for it again. It's a battle that can never be won. Same with the Taliban. It/they/them will never be wiped out.
BringbakMON
Vital Football Hero
thought the early claim was they were from Tajikistan altho just as likely they are some of vlad's operatives false flagging it
BodyButter
Vital Football Legend
Definitely can't be ruled out but hard to see what he would gain from an Islamic attack now.
The second Chechen war legitimised Putin as the strongman leader of Russia (to Russians). Losing the first war there was considered a huge embarrassment to them. There is some evidence that the attacks that provoked the second Chechen war were false flags but it's difficult to tell the quality of the evidence.
BodyButter
Vital Football Legend
The Taliban are different because they are primarily the fighting force of the Pashtun people. Although they have a heavy religious influence, they aren't that bothered about the world outside Pakistan and Afghanistan.
ISIS, at this point, is more like a brand that wanna-be Islamic terrorists feel legitimises them.
Don't get these four arrests at all. Given the fact that whoever they are know that they will be horribly tortured if captured they would have shot themselves. Also if they are Muslim they believe they go to paradise so won't be frightened of death. This is more Putin bullshit to be used in whatever way he sees fit.
danvilla2
I’m not an expert
Theres a guy on Sky News called Professor Michael Clarke who I find really interesting.
He said that Russia always make a quick arrest at times like these, within 12-24 hours. Attacks in Europe where the attackers run, can take a few days or weeks.
He was working off information received by the West, which suggested Putin was made aware of the attack a couple of minutes after it happened yet the police station 2 miles down the road didn’t respond for 30 minutes, or something like that.
If the attackers did try to escape through Ukraine, that’s a 14 hour drive. Although they could’ve made it that far, it was tight.
His working theory was that it was ISIS-K.
I can’t find the link, but the Sky News app will take you to the video if you go on the news feed.
Sounds like they were warned.
Did Russia ignore US 'extremist' attacks warning? - BBC News
The attack on a concert hall in Moscow raises difficult questions for Putin at a time of global mistrust.
www.bbc.co.uk
danvilla2
I’m not an expert
Sounds like they were warned.
Did Russia ignore US 'extremist' attacks warning? - BBC News
The attack on a concert hall in Moscow raises difficult questions for Putin at a time of global mistrust.
It’s asking me to sign in to the Beeb to read it so I might post what is in there, but they even warned specifically about a concert hall.
Has a feel of “let it happen” this attack.
Asking you to sign in?
danvilla2
I’m not an expert
Link took me to the app annoyingly
Good old auntie, neutral as ever.
www.dailymail.co.uk
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JuanPabloAngel
Alert Team
Lol, questioning the Beeb's neutrality while quoting the Daily Heil? Well played.Good old auntie, neutral as ever.
Mail reveals Gaza doctors are long-time supporters of Hamas
A Mail on Sunday investigation has revealed that six medics interviewed for a report from Gaza, on hospital medics being tortured by Israeli forces, spouted anti-Semitic slurs on social media.
And for the record, I do NOT think the BBC is even remotely neutral.
