Word Cup boycott?
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Alderman Barnes
Vital Squad Member
Seeing as it's a newspaper with a circulation of approximately one man and his dog, I'd say it's pretty irrelevant really.
I refer you to the berks mentioned in my previous post, There are always a few idiots prepared to excuse people who they shouldn't because they're the enemy of their enemy. But they're a tiny, tiny minority. It's wrong and quite franky dishonest to try and associate mainstream socialists with them.
On the one hand, this name-calling of people as Stalinists or whatever is piss-poor playground-level stuff. But on the other hand, it's really insidious because it's not just "hilarious" "online personas" who do it: for years, the entire media has been tarring anyone remotely left of centre with the same brush in order to shut down any kind of argument.
And it works. You've only got to look them falling over themselves in parliament to see who can rattle their sabres the loudest. The Tories you can understand, because it draws attention away from the utter fuck-up they're making of everything else. What's depressing is Labour right-wingers who should know better jumping on it because they think it's a vote-winner.
Putin must be pissing himself at the spectacle.
But wait, you're an "online persona", so you were fooling us all anyway.
Or were you?
Or weren't you?
By hell, you're an enigma. You've certainly got the rest of us beat.
GazeHillAvenueGills
Vital Newbie
I remember on 15th November 1980 watching from the Rainham End the Gills getting thrashed 5-1 by Exeter City. A lot of fans were screaming abuse at Exeter for being ?crap? plus other comments whereas I thought they played excellently. At that moment as a 16 year old I must have had a pre-epiphany moment before I realised that I must have been growing. Fast forward 37 years and here we are with no reasoning and rational discussions just knee jerk reactions being fed by a irrational press and media and football this summer being clouded by those with a political ego to massage such as the Labour MP for Barrow wanting us to withdraw.
If you do something, make it worthwhile and not to inflict punishment upon oneself as it makes no sense.
If you do something, make it worthwhile and not to inflict punishment upon oneself as it makes no sense.
Alderman Barnes
Vital Squad Member
Putin has been funding far-right chancers all over Europe in the hope of splitting it. Precisely the same people who are huffing and puffing the loudest now are the ones who are busy doing his dirty work for him.
Everyone's a winner.
Everyone's a winner.
Jerryattrick
Vital Football Hero
SB - what exactly was your point about ?nostalgia for the Marxist paradise that was Soviet Russia?. Most on the left especially Trots have never supported anything from the Soviet Union as it was simply a dictatorship (animal farm anyone) and was never a fully socialist state, in fact they stopped the spread of socialism e.g. in Catalonia in the Civil WAr.
Maybe this has to do more with the old fool me once rule.
We believed them over the WMDs in Iraq then we believed them over the poor Brazilian guy shot in public on the underground, excuse some people if they want to make sure this time.
So far the government is not saying it is definite but tells us ?its extreemly likely? it was the Russians and I do not think anyone disagrees with that. To call for the rule of law for full verification and then working with the international community to hand out wide ranging real punishment has somehow become pro Russia!
Maybe this has to do more with the old fool me once rule.
We believed them over the WMDs in Iraq then we believed them over the poor Brazilian guy shot in public on the underground, excuse some people if they want to make sure this time.
So far the government is not saying it is definite but tells us ?its extreemly likely? it was the Russians and I do not think anyone disagrees with that. To call for the rule of law for full verification and then working with the international community to hand out wide ranging real punishment has somehow become pro Russia!
PhilK66
Vital 1st Team Regular
Been to Russia countless times since 2003 and to Russian football matches without problems. You just have to understand that a large proportion of the population adore Czar Putin after the humiliation of the Yeltsin years.
Russia loathes traitors and will always extract revenge however many years later it takes. The Olympic doping whistleblower now in USA hiding they will get sooner or later. I am not saying in any way that I approve of Putin, who is to all intents and purposes a fascist, but that is how it is. In 2000 or thereabouts when he assumed power he approached Blair and Bush jnr looking for support and even suggesting membership of NATO. He was "patted on the head" like a little boy and sent away and that has coloured his thinking ever since.
I could tell you a number of things about him and how he acts told to me by Russian friends and people at the British Embassy in Moscow. Some are mindblowing!
The only thing that will stop his relentless ambition is to come up against unified opposition from firstly within the UK, from within Europe and from within the rest of the world (at least the important players anyway).
It is time for statesmen/women to come to the fore and Corbyn has demonstrated quite clearly that he just doesn't have it. As a long time centre left voter I despair at what he has done to the Party.
As far as the boycott is concerned it will only work if all potential winners pull out. But then that not-fit-for-purpose bunch of corrupt cowboys FIFA would probably impose bans/punishments on those who withdrew.
Russia loathes traitors and will always extract revenge however many years later it takes. The Olympic doping whistleblower now in USA hiding they will get sooner or later. I am not saying in any way that I approve of Putin, who is to all intents and purposes a fascist, but that is how it is. In 2000 or thereabouts when he assumed power he approached Blair and Bush jnr looking for support and even suggesting membership of NATO. He was "patted on the head" like a little boy and sent away and that has coloured his thinking ever since.
I could tell you a number of things about him and how he acts told to me by Russian friends and people at the British Embassy in Moscow. Some are mindblowing!
The only thing that will stop his relentless ambition is to come up against unified opposition from firstly within the UK, from within Europe and from within the rest of the world (at least the important players anyway).
It is time for statesmen/women to come to the fore and Corbyn has demonstrated quite clearly that he just doesn't have it. As a long time centre left voter I despair at what he has done to the Party.
As far as the boycott is concerned it will only work if all potential winners pull out. But then that not-fit-for-purpose bunch of corrupt cowboys FIFA would probably impose bans/punishments on those who withdrew.
GazeHillAvenueGills
Vital Newbie
SB - as long as the roubles you promise to pay me cover my meat and bean pie bill from the Central Pie shop in Sittingbourne
PhilK66
Vital 1st Team Regular
Wrong re Aeroflot international flights Bob. Log onto flightradar24.com
It shows the age of any given aircraft you click on on the map.. Airlines like Ryanair and easyjet have pretty new aircraft as does Aeroflot. Then look at some BA jumbos on long haul flights. I saw one this week was 27 years old FFS!
It shows the age of any given aircraft you click on on the map.. Airlines like Ryanair and easyjet have pretty new aircraft as does Aeroflot. Then look at some BA jumbos on long haul flights. I saw one this week was 27 years old FFS!
PhilK66
Vital 1st Team Regular
Nibbles. In 2003 the english boss of BA decided to switch airports from Sheretemeyvo to Domodedovo.. The first is owned/controlled by the Mafia. Domodedovo isn't. The Russian Mafia put a US$50k price on the BA guy's head unless he changed his mind. The guy took refuge in our embassy.
The ambassador was away but on his return asked why the guy was living there. After the explanation he spoke personally to Putin in his fluent Russian. They had often been drinking together and were on very good terms. Putin said he would fix it.
Later an aide to Putin told our ambassador what happened. The Russian Mafia godfather was summoned to the Kremlin and seated in a very low chair in front of Putin's very large desk and was warned that if anything happened to the BA guy he the boss, no one else, would be two metres in the ground. Needless to say the Mafia called it off and BA changed airports. This was told to me by an attache at the Moscow Embassy.
The ambassador was away but on his return asked why the guy was living there. After the explanation he spoke personally to Putin in his fluent Russian. They had often been drinking together and were on very good terms. Putin said he would fix it.
Later an aide to Putin told our ambassador what happened. The Russian Mafia godfather was summoned to the Kremlin and seated in a very low chair in front of Putin's very large desk and was warned that if anything happened to the BA guy he the boss, no one else, would be two metres in the ground. Needless to say the Mafia called it off and BA changed airports. This was told to me by an attache at the Moscow Embassy.
SteveTreacle
Vital 1st Team Regular
Great to see the usual left wing protagonists coming out with more concern about the right wing press's reporting of a chemical attack by Russia on uk soil than the attack itself. Obviously, Russia have no form for murdering dissidents, using chemicals,and general skullduggery and the whole thing is engineered by the uk and the tories to discredit Corbyn. It is clarly not another example of Corbyn naturally showing his tendency to always back whoever our enemy is (he has no form for this of course by backing the IRA and islamists). Obviously the BBC and other uk press and media are unleashing a Goebbelsesque propaganda campaign to discredit the Russians and Corbyn, unlike Russia's free press.
It's also strange that the same people who favour the EU over the UK, who are of course not unpatriotic, now seem to be the ones who are not standing up for our country against Russia and seemingly implyingthat the whole thing is some sort of bizarre propaganda campaign by the uk, our press and government, which is obviously the patriotic thing to do!
It's also strange that the same people who favour the EU over the UK, who are of course not unpatriotic, now seem to be the ones who are not standing up for our country against Russia and seemingly implyingthat the whole thing is some sort of bizarre propaganda campaign by the uk, our press and government, which is obviously the patriotic thing to do!
Alderman Barnes
Vital Squad Member
That's some absolutely world-class point missing, there. Either you haven't understood any of the points that were made or you've deliberately chosen to ignore them. Whichever way, you've conclusively proven them.
SteveTreacle
Vital 1st Team Regular
No, I haven?t. I?ve just got a different opinion to you and a much less pompous one.
To clarify the point re Corbyn (and to rebut your defence of your hero), maybe Corbyn is seemingly being cautious in wanting conclusive evidence, but nobody doubts that the attack came from Russia. If it did come from a source other than the state, Putin was given ample opportunity to come back with a line along the lines of ?we?re sorry that this attack has come from Russia. It wasn?t state sanctioned. W?ell done everything we can to track them down and bring them to justice?. Instead, he went on the offensive and blamed the U.K. for everything and decide to take the piss.
The government has rightly reacted strongly to this. The custom in these situations is for parliament to show a united front (many on the Labour and other benches have), yet Corbyn has chosen to try to make political ground from it and has reverted to his usual instinct of when defence and national security is in question ?backed the other side? (which seems to be the wont of the left).
It?s laughable that you lot think it is some sort of conspiracy by the government or bbc to start some sort of chest beating campaign against Russia, when the only guilty parties are Russia and Corbyn?s attempts to not properly stand up to them in an attempt to make politcal ground.
To clarify the point re Corbyn (and to rebut your defence of your hero), maybe Corbyn is seemingly being cautious in wanting conclusive evidence, but nobody doubts that the attack came from Russia. If it did come from a source other than the state, Putin was given ample opportunity to come back with a line along the lines of ?we?re sorry that this attack has come from Russia. It wasn?t state sanctioned. W?ell done everything we can to track them down and bring them to justice?. Instead, he went on the offensive and blamed the U.K. for everything and decide to take the piss.
The government has rightly reacted strongly to this. The custom in these situations is for parliament to show a united front (many on the Labour and other benches have), yet Corbyn has chosen to try to make political ground from it and has reverted to his usual instinct of when defence and national security is in question ?backed the other side? (which seems to be the wont of the left).
It?s laughable that you lot think it is some sort of conspiracy by the government or bbc to start some sort of chest beating campaign against Russia, when the only guilty parties are Russia and Corbyn?s attempts to not properly stand up to them in an attempt to make politcal ground.
Wayne.Kerr
Vital Champions League
Putin, the extreme nationalist, the modern day Hitler, can more or less do what he wants and we're powerless - look at Syria; so, what is our response? Not one but two Secretaries of State [Defence and Foreign Affairs] make unnecessary schoolboy comments. The capital of diplomacy is a very scarce commodity [not my words] and what Corbyn has said is no more damaging, less so perhaps, than the unworthy words of the two senior ministers of state. The only sensible thing Steve T wrote was that Russia is taking the piss and we react by making childish remarks by people who should know better. Those who think that Corbyn is somehow an apologist for Putin should know better too [that's Farage's line] - Corbyn has left wing views while Putin is a fascist dictator. We're playing straight into Putin's hands; voting takes place in Russia tomorrow and surely he will tighten his grip on Mother Russia. Steve, you'd do well as a Daily Mail columnist or you could push for the Daily Express to resurrect its Empire page.
Wayne.Kerr
Vital Champions League
Nothing would please Putin more than the break up of the EU and so the fallacy of Brexit becomes apparent. These days it's not necessarily military power that counts but financial/trading clout as demonstrated by China, which has a foothold in just about every African country, for example. Putin will align himself with the extreme right in Europe - Austria, Hungary, Poland etc [Valencia and Farage will be happy] - and I can't see America getting too excited.
