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The Truth...you can't handle the truth!

You Boszi & whoever wants to can discuss what you like in 'off topic', providd you keep it respectful and civil.

I'm fed up with having to deal with alerts about these issues - so, the offending threads in '100% FOREST' will be frozen or moved.

Feel free to add some content to your original post in this thread.
 
In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort (psychological stress) experienced by a person who simultaneously holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. The occurrence of cognitive dissonance is a consequence of a person's performing an action that contradicts personal beliefs, ideals, and values; and also occurs when confronted with new information that contradicts said beliefs, ideals, and values.

In A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance (1957), Leon Festinger proposed that human beings strive for internal psychological consistency in order to mentally function in the real world. A person who experiences internal inconsistency tends to become psychologically uncomfortable and is motivated to reduce the cognitive dissonance. This is done either by changing parts of the cognition to justify the stressful behavior, by adding new parts to the cognition that causes the psychological dissonance, and/or by actively avoiding social situations and contradictory information that are likely to increase the magnitude of the cognitive dissonance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

The fable of "The Fox and the Grapes", by Aesop, is an exemplar of cognitive dissonance by the subversion of rationality. A fox spies high-hanging grapes and wishes to eat them. When unable to reach the grapes, the fox decides the fruit are not worth eating, and he justifies his decision by claiming to himself that the grapes likely are sour, for being unripe.

The moral of the fable is that "Any fool can despise what he cannot get"; hence the popular phrase about dismissing a thwarted goal as "unimportant" is mere expression of sour grapes. The pattern of psychological behaviour illustrated in the fable of "The Fox and the Grapes" indicates that: When a person desires something and finds that it is unattainable, he or she diminishes the resultant cognitive dissonance by criticizing the object of desire as worthless; said pattern of behaviour is an "adaptive preference formation" that allows the person to subvert rationality.

It is human nature to dislike being wrong. When we make a mistake, it is hard to admit it.

We resort to mental gymnastics to avoid accepting that our logic – or our belief system itself – is flawed. Lying, denying, and rationalizing are a@@@@ the tactics we employ to dance around the truth and avoid the discomfort that contradiction creates. We avoid or toss aside information that isn’t consistent with our current beliefs. Emotions trump logic and evidence. Once our minds are made up, it is very difficult to change them.

This is cognitive dissonance.

In the case of Las Vegas shooting some people cannot accept there is a possibility of being told a false story by the media and government agencies if they accept this contradictive belief their whole world collapses, hence anyone questioning the event is labeled a cúnt, mentalist, uncaring of the vicsims, its nothing to do with Forest, shut the thread down, anything but prevent having the truth come out.



 
Don't worry, we all know you're clever and special.

http://www.iflscience.com/brain/people-who-believe-conspiracy-theories-just-want-to-be-unique-say-psychologists/
 
Our Kids Dad - 11/10/2017 19:27

or what 'wikipedia' believes to be the truth.

Or what Paul Craig Roberts beleives to be the truth.

He has contributed chapters to numerous books and has published many articles in journals of scholarship, including the Journal of Political Economy, Oxford Economic Papers, Journal of Law and Economics, Studies in Banking and Finance, Journal of Monetary Economics, Public Choice, Classica et Mediaevalia, Ethics, Slavic Review, Soviet Studies, Cardoza Law Review, Rivista de Political Economica, and Zeitschrift fur Wirtschafspolitik. He has entries in the McGraw-Hill Encyclopedia of Economics and the New Palgrave Dictionary of Money and Finance.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/pages/about-paul-craig-roberts/

Ok it maybe faked bio and could be CIA OP but he seems well respected so let's look at what he (PCR) deems fit to report on his website....

An American Trauma Surgeon Responds:

Dear Dr. Roberts:

This note is in response to your invitation for medical professionals to comment on the LV shootings with respect to the authenticity of the publicly available videos and whether they prove or disprove that actual victims were injured or killed. I am a retired surgeon with experience in managing patients with massive blood loss in an operating room setting and in other in-hospital cases of marked hemodynamic instability from hemorrhage.

The retired surgeon from Florida made many excellent points already and I will try not to repeat them. Here are some additional problems with the scene as presented in the publicly available videos:

1.) We do not see CPR being conducted on anyone that I am aware of. This would be extremely unusual for a massive shooting. Surely someone would have captured it on their cell phone. Even if it took a while for the EMT’s to arrive, it would be reasonable for non-medical personnel in the audience who have taken a basic CPR course to have started it.

2.) Given the alleged number of victims, we should have seen some evidence of arterial bleeding, no doubt at least several instances of massive hemorrhage (arterial bleeding is often associated with blood being ejected from the site of injury, a so-called arterial “pumper”). What is the probability that no one captured an example of it?

3.) If some of the rounds were from a fully automatic high caliber rifle or machine-gun like weapon(s), some of the victims should have had obvious massive and visible trauma to the head, neck and extremities. So far, I have seen no evidence of it.

4.) There is a complete absence of the kind of urgency one would expect from the professionals who allegedly responded on display in the videos available. Where are the EMT’s with their stretchers rushing to the victims? We see pictures of people in the audience crouching down, laying down, crawling, walking and running away but no evidence that any of them have sustained a gun shot wound(s).

5.) If hundreds of people were actually injured (not counting those who allegedly died at the scene) and taken to local emergency rooms, someone should have captured evidence on their cell phones of severely injured victims being wheeled into ER trauma rooms and being taken to surgery. I have not seen any videos from emergency rooms in which victims with actual wounds are displayed. Surely some of the local media would have arrived at the local hospital ER’s to take pictures and to interview the uninjured persons accompanying their friends/relatives. No interviews have appeared in which surgeons who attended the victims have been carefully questioned for the extent of injuries sustained. Similarly, no pathologists have been interviewed about their necropsy findings.

6.) Where are the death certificates of those who died at the scene? Where are the autopsy reports which would have been mandatory? I have seen pictures of alleged deceased persons but not actual proof of death(s). Moreover, why have there been no news conferences from the hospital(s) reporting on the progress or subsequent deaths of injured patients? Surely, someone with critical injuries must have died by now if the event was not staged. The only videos I have seen depict alleged shooting victims who do not appear to have sustained a GSW.

7.) If hundreds of injuries/deaths occurred, the video evidence should have been overwhelmingly in support of it given that almost everyone has a smart phone with camera capability. Yet, we have clearly been shown videos which do not support it. That is very strange and suggests that better video evidence is lacking, as would be expected if much or all of the scene was staged.

8.) It has been reported that a mass casualty drill was taking place in LV either at or prior to the alleged mass casualty event. Many false flag events have been preceded by a drill that “went live.” It has also been reported that citizen researchers who have called the closest local hospitals have been told that they had no record of gunshot victims. These claims need to be substantiated.

9.) The fact that advertisements/requests were placed asking for “Crisis Actors” in the LV area strongly suggests that the event was either partially or totally staged.

These represent only a few of the problems that come to mind at this point.

PCR continues...

Why is it that with these terror events—Las Vegas, Boston Marathon Bombing, 9/11 itself—drills reflecting the alleged events were being conducted? Why has the media, not only the US media, but also the world media, never asked this question? How is it that almost every time that there is a terrorist event, a drill of that event is taking place?

After all this time, how can this question remain unasked and unanswered?

How is it possible that 573 people can be shot in a public place, and aware people can have no confidence in the official story?

And concludes....

This is the American media, a collction of dumbshit whores who sell their souls to official lies. America has no greater enemy than its own media.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/10/11/american-trauma-surgeon-responds/

Again OKD, I anticipate some sweet throwing piss head type throwing insults my way instead of debating these issues but it is hoped someone out there reading and doubting this issue will have the sense to question matters because as a rather intelligent Greek bloke once advised "Question Everything".

 
Appears a few folks are questioning stories put out by the media take this one for example.......

Police offer £50,000 bounty for UK's most wanted killer

yahoo News UK

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-offer-50000-bounty-uks-wanted-killer-142104907.html

The Metropolitan Police are offering a £50,000 reward for anyone who provides police with information that leads to the arrest and prosecution of the UK’s most wanted killer Shane O’Brien.

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First of all how in the hell was he able to leave on a private plane and secondly when he was arrested in Prague, why didn't the police in Prague know that he was wanted in connection with a murder

"He was flown out in a private jet". Something makes me think that the "victim" may not be as innocent as his family would want you to believe. My money is on drugs related. I see 99% of the story appears to be missing.

How is he the most wanted for killing one man?

Do not remember the case -why only half a story?

Hmmm something smells bad about this. I wonder if we'll see this guy as the next accused of terrorism somewhere (of course he'll be shot and killed so he can't ever talk) like we see EVERY single time, seems to me the CIA are in cahoots with our Western media and all EU governments.
We all know we're being lied to but nobody thinks to ask why we're being lied to? We have a huge clue everyday and that's....
''For all Western governments and media to be following the same scripted lies (unprecedented in history) we must know it's leading to something huge!''


 
boszi - 12/10/2017 11:44

Appears a few folks are questioning stories put out by the media take this one for example.......

Police offer £50,000 bounty for UK's most wanted killer

yahoo News UK

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-offer-50000-bounty-uks-wanted-killer-142104907.html
I agree that is unreal!!!!! They only cost about a pound in my local confectionary. It must be one of those massive bars... will it be in two parts chap like the normal ones?
 
Ingy - 12/10/2017 21:15

boszi - 12/10/2017 11:44

Appears a few folks are questioning stories put out by the media take this one for example.......

Police offer £50,000 bounty for UK's most wanted killer

yahoo News UK

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-offer-50000-bounty-uks-wanted-killer-142104907.html
I agree that is unreal!!!!! They only cost about a pound in my local confectionary. It must be one of those massive bars... will it be in two parts chap like the normal ones?

Tread carefully Ingy, you cannot go making funny comments like that, there's a dead person involved, let's hope some on this forum dont see it or they will be on to you like a ton of bricks with their moral indignation. :22:
 
Ingy, I'm not on you like a ton of bricks. Once you're dead you're gone. Like a ton of bricks. It's all over Red Rover.

Enjoy it while you're here.

Like I do.

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Speaking of alledged dead people looks like the American Trauma Surgeon mentioned above was correct in his analysis of events at LV.

For example....

2.) Given the alleged number of victims, we should have seen some evidence of arterial bleeding, no doubt at least several instances of massive hemorrhage (arterial bleeding is often associated with blood being ejected from the site of injury, a so-called arterial “pumper”). What is the probability that no one captured an example of it?

Here's the crime scene not a spot as far as I can see, maybe the cleaned all the blood up from the alledged victims...

<img src="https://cdn20.patchcdn.com/getty/22887534/20171004/033817/styles/T800x600/public/processed_images/gettyimages-857170182-1507145502-2815.jpg" alt="Mountain View" style="width:604px;height:528px;">

<img src="http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/law-enforcement-officials-work-the-scene-of-the-mass-shooting-at-the-picture-id857171894" alt="Mountain View" style="width:604px;height:528px;">

Meanwhile Ingy, I'll keep searching for any credible evidence that answer all the American trauma surgeon reservations about the incident and try to dispel the idea the truth is not being told on the matter , and you never know maybe our resident armchair climatologist may help out by pointing us to a few credible snaps that help out the trauma surgeon.

 
Another guy has contacted Paul Craig Roberts....

A professor in Canada, who I know and to whose intelligence and integrity I can attest, reminded me that the Northwoods Project, a false flag attack proposal given to President John F. Kennedy by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to produce an excuse for invading Cuba, consisted of both real and fake elements. The professor analyzed the Northwoods proposal and provides this list of the fake/real mixture:

Dear Craig: I thank you for carrying an honest discussion on your website of the difficulties in sorting out whether Las Vegas victims were real or fake. I claim no expertise in this incident; I simply want to remind folks that there is no contradiction between claims of real injury and claims of fake injury. Why would the planners want to choose just one option?

Way back in the early 1960s where they were planning the Northwoods operation, they envisioned both options in the operation. A couple of years ago I tried to sort out the planned victims and arrived at this list:

Victims:

[1] (capture: real victim, no injury, false identity) “Capture Cuban (friendly) saboteurs”

[2] (capture: real victim, no injury, false identity) “Capture assault teams approaching from the sea”

[3] (capture: real victim, no injury, false identity) “Capture militia group”

[4] (explosion; no victims/faked victims—apparently no actual personnel involved) “Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims”

[5] (explosion; no victims/faked victims– apparently no actual personnel involved) “We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters…The US could follow up with an air/sea operation covered by US fighters to ‘evacuate’ remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.”

[6] (shooting? Real and/or simulated victims) “We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated).”

[7] (explosions + other? Real victims) “We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots…would be helpful”

[8] (explosion; faked victims—real personnel with false ids) “It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner…The passengers could be a group of college students…”

“At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases…”

“arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers…The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan…destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal.”

[9] (shooting; faked victim—real personnel with false id) [another scenario:] “a pre-briefed pilot…would broadcast that he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down…The pilot would then fly directly west at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base…The pilot who had performed the mission under an alias, would resume his identity and return to his normal place of business.” “The pilots returning to Homestead would have a true story as far as they knew.”

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/10/12/curtain-las-vegas-shooting/
 
As regular Off Topic readers have come to know, unlike some, I like to back up my assertions and theories, which attempt to gain an understanding of the truth and distinguish between a false and real reality, by the use of credible material, in this case it is no different.

For example this declassified document (link below) would appear to add substance to the claims made by the professor above which pointed out it has been in the mindset of the controllers / government to create propaganda for their agenda by the use of false events for quite sometime.

http://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//news/20010430/doc1.pdf

 
And here's some good investigative reporting that you hardly see nowadays.

The Legacy of Reagan’s Civilian ‘Psyops’
October 13, 2017

Special Report: When the Reagan administration launched peacetime “psyops” in the mid-1980s, it pulled in civilian agencies to help spread these still-ongoing techniques of deception and manipulation, reports Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

Declassified records from the Reagan presidential library show how the U.S. government enlisted civilian agencies in psychological operations designed to exploit information as a way to manipulate the behavior of targeted foreign audiences and, at least indirectly, American citizens.................................



.........Another entity in this process was the Psychological Operations Committee formed in 1986 under Reagan’s National Security Council. In the years since, the U.S. administrations, both Republican and Democratic, have applied many of these same psyops principles, cherry-picking or manufacturing evidence to undermine adversaries and to solidify U.S. public support for Washington’s policies.

This reality – about the U.S. government creating its own faux reality to manipulate the American people and international audiences – should compel journalists in the West to treat all claims from Washington with a large grain of salt.

However, instead, we have seen a pattern of leading news outlets simply amplifying whatever U.S. agencies assert about foreign adversaries while denouncing skeptics as purveyors of “fake news” or enemy “propaganda.” In effect, the success of the U.S. psyops strategy can be measured by how Western mainstream media has stepped forward as the enforcement mechanism to ensure conformity to the U.S. government’s various information themes and narratives.

For instance, any questioning of the U.S. government’s narratives on, say, the current Syrian conflict, or the Ukraine coup of 2014, or Russian “hacking” of the 2016 U.S. election, or Iran’s status as “the leading sponsor of terrorism” is treated by the major Western news outlets as evidence that you are a “useful fool” at best, if not a willful enemy “propagandist” with loyalty to a foreign power, i.e., a traitor.

Leading mainstream media outlets and establishment-approved Web sites are now teaming up with Google, Facebook and other technology companies to develop algorithms to bury or remove content from the Internet that doesn’t march in lockstep with what is deemed to be true, which often simply follows what U.S. government agencies say is true.

Yet, the documentary evidence is now clear that the U.S. government undertook a well-defined strategy of waging psyops around the world with regular blowback of this propaganda and disinformation onto the American people via Western news agencies covering events in the affected countries.

Full article.....

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/10/13/the-legacy-of-reagans-civilian-psyops/
 
More Responses to the Military Surgeon’s Letter

The question before us is not whether people were shot or not, but if they were shot, why the crisis actors carrying pretend wounded into a hospital and why unrealistically quick recoveries from gunshot trauma? I have the names and email addresses of the respondants, but do not pubish their names as helpful information should not be repaid by bringing them controversy.

This from a person in a hospital trauma unit:

Regarding trauma patients hit by gunfire from high-powered rifles – I work at the local hospital and most gunshot victims are hit by lower-powered small arms fire (pistols, birdshot, buckshot) versus military (5.56 or 7.62 NATO) calibers, and most of these patients are in the trauma ICU for at least 1-2 weeks and sometimes up to a few months. Many of these also end up dying or at the very least becomming even more acutely ill from hospital-acquired infections, many of which are acquired during surgeries or from mechanical ventilators.

This from the UK:

“As a retired anesthesiologist, my observations of the victims shown in the media/online videos concur with those of the military surgeon’s in his letter. I cannot say whether anyone was shot in Las Vegas but the victims we have been shown in the media are unreal.” MD, DCH, FRCA, FFPM (UK)

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/10/11/responses-military-surgeons-letter/