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The Truth...you can't handle the truth!

Looks like the man leading the investigation has been reading this forum....

“There is no conspiracy between the FBI, between LVMPD and the MGM,” he (County Sheriff Joe Lombardo) said this week."

Or it maybe many people are questioning events and want the truth...

Despite an influx of criticism and claims of cover-ups, Lombardo insists they are simply doing their best to relay information to the public and gather information and suggested the timeline could continue to change.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-14/vegas-massacre-timeline-shifts-again-very-dynamic-event

The website that covered the site states it is...

Leading news site for global finance, economics, market, and political analysis.

http://www.zerohedge.com/

The story ....

Tegas Massacre Timeline Changes Again

At the point of reading had 188,315 views and 640 comments ....

A high percentage of those comments read like this...

The Dreadnought Oct 14, 2017 6:34 PM
Holy shit, what a cover up.

MagicHandPuppet The Dreadnought Oct 14, 2017 6:42 PM
"... and to prove there is no cover up, we're keeping all of the confiscated surveillance video footage hidden, away from the public!"

07564111 HRH Feant2 Oct 14, 2017 8:00 PM

"It doesn't matter what happened in LV""
Yep ;)
This 'story' has all but disappeared from the news in the rest of the world. We all understand the news cycle and that things move from page 1 to pages 3 and beyond, but given the supposed seriousness of the crime it's a odd that's it's no longer interesting.
I guess that in the USA there are also some ( this Sheriff in particular ) that would like this to disappear, he looks less than happy with his job. ;)

kingvaclav Freddie Oct 15, 2017 8:24 AM
There's a new thing going around. It's called survelliance cameras. in two weeks no photo has been taken of fake persona Campos by papparazii or CCTV. 

Withdrawn Sanction Freddie Oct 15, 2017 9:12 AM
Yep.  Where IS the Bell Hop who helped Mr Patsy carry his nearly two dozen bags into his room?  Where is  the camera footage from inside the hotel showing him carting the stuff in.  In short, it should be easy to corroborate the official story...if it's true.  Since they dont provide objective corroboration, only unsupported claims and revised tmelines, they are obviously hiding something. Who is hiding what and why is an interesting exercise, but not nearly as important as the fundamental fact that the official storyline is false. 

The point being that the would appear to be a growing tide of people wanting to know the truth and not avoiding the issue by demonstrating symtoms of cognitive dissonance.

 
people still think planes brought down the towers bro and there couldnt be anything more contradictory that people saw with their own eyes. Its impossible to make some folk see the wood for the trees
 
It's about having the courage to challenge things Paz, to many folk content to follow group think.

As Mark Twain said "It's easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled"

At some point it will become glaring obvious, even to the cognitively-dissonant, that this and other events are staged to push agendas.

At what time this point arrives is anyones guess, however I dont envisage it to be in the near future.

For example, It took Copernicus' ideas on planetary motion nearly a hundred years to seriously take hold, so I guess i'll probrably be dead before our climatologist and friends admit to themselves they are being lied to and that reality as portrayed by the media is not what it seems.
 
In the previous post I spoke of agenda's, one such agenda is to create fear a@@@@st its citizens , this serves the purpose of people becoming reliant on the nanny state for protection.

For example....

Britain is facing a terrorist threat as unrelenting as it is unprecedented, MI5 chief warns

Jihadis can 'accelerate from inception to planning to action in just a handful of days'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/isis-terrorist-threat-uk-britain-mi5-warning-a8005536.html

Boo hoo , the only terrorist out there are the government and its agencies.
 
And it seems reading through coment sections that a few people are beginning to wake up to the situation.

Head of MI5: UK Facing Most Severe Terrorist Threat Ever
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-18/head-mi5-uk-facing-most-severe-terrorist-threat-ever
15 645 views 132 comments


Give_me_liberty_or Oct 18, 2017 7:39 AM

Translation: Give us more funding or moar false flags

Cognitive Dissonance Give_me_liberty_ Oct 18, 2017 7:40 AM

The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

F E A R

gatorengineer Dindu Nuffins Oct 18, 2017 8:00 AM

and I thought the terrorists were the Banskers of London


Rapunzal Oct 18, 2017 8:27 AM

The only terror organizations are the governments and their intelligence mafias. All terror since 9/11 was clearly false flags and hoaxes.



InsaneBane
In retrospect:

In a blunt warning to a visiting group of European diplomats over a looming jihadi threat, a former deputy Shin Bet chief on Monday said “if you do not stand by our side, the day when Islamic terror will reach your homes, your beds and your kindergartens will come soon.”

Speaking with Danish, Swedish and Dutch ambassadors to Israel, as well as officials from the embassies of Britain, Belgium, Italy, Hungary, Austria and Germany, Knesset Member Israel Hasson (Kadima),

https://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/28/fmr-shin-bet-chief-warns-if-europe...

Oh btw MI5 = SIS and MI5/6, CIA, MOSSAD = ISIS

Sirius Wonderblast
Does read a bit like a threat, doesn't it?


A. Boaty
Keep fear alive!


Déjà view A. Boaty Oct 18, 2017 10:13 AM

"Nothing To Fear...But Fear Itself"...

--- FDR


Mr. Kwikky
He means more false flag operations are coming..

Hikikomori Oct 18, 2017 7:42 AM

For the military/industrial/security complex, the answer is always "More money".


and so on

(btw apologies Apollyon I know not in the same league as your post match comments thread but I was really pushed for time, I only had 10mins to spare )
 
Yes itto, your sadness is understandable, no doubt reading recent headlines about climate change alarmist Al Gores latest film offering didn't help matters.

Al Gore's Critics Attack Box Office Sales As Climate Change Becomes ...

2017. aug. 15. - Al Gore's latest film is a flop ? a telling sign Americans are wising up to the hoax that is climate change.


2017. aug. 15. - Climate alarmist Al Gore's second film, An Inconvenient Sequel, failed to heat up the box-office, falling from 16th to 18th over the Aug. 11-13 ...


Global warming film flop caps Al Gore's tough week | The Times & The ...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/.../global-warming-film-flop-caps-al-gore...

2017. aug. 8. - It has been an inconvenient week for Al Gore, the climate change activist and former presidential candidate.He had hoped that his new film ...

Al Gore's Climate Film Flops - Earth Temps Cooler Now Than When ...

www.zerohedge.com/.../al-gores-climate-film-flops-earth-temps-cool...

2017. aug. 18. - Climate alarmist Al Gore's second film, 'An Inconvenient Sequel: Truth to Power' failed to resonate with Americans...

Also speaking of sad, I notice Tony Abbott coming in for a bit of stick of late...

In a recent speech in October he reprised his 2009 assertion that the “so-called settled science of climate change” was “absolute crap”.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/oct/10/tony-abbott-says-climate-change-is-probably-doin

Here's the response from newspapers...

Tony Abbott's climate frolic is strange and sad

It would be tempting to laugh at Tony Abbott’s feelings about how carbon dioxide is secretly good for humanity, and his insight except it isn’t that funny.

The London outing is more strange and sad, and the strangeness and the sadness manifests itself on multiple fronts.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/oct/10/tony-abbotts-climate-frolic-is-strange-and-sad-and-all-about-politics

OPINION

Tony Abbott’s latest contribution to national debate – arguing to an audience of climate sceptics that “a gradual lift in global temperatures…might even be beneficial” – is sad proof that the former PM has finally jumped the shark.

http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/tony-abbott-argues-climate-change-could-be-beneficial-as-politics-of-insanity-takes-hold-in-australia/news-story/4885d64946d24de2231a5d0ec5174ae2

Tony Abbott's climate change speech 'loopy', says Labor

Tanya Plibersek says Abbott’s speech to climate sceptics in London was ‘actually just weird stuff’
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/oct/10/tony-abbotts-climate-change-speech-loopy-says-labor

Why are newspaper editors / reporters giving Tony Abbott the hatchet job? given that the government chief scientist states…...

“The point that Tony makes is 100% correct, and the chief scientist has actually confirmed this, the chief scientist has said, no matter what we do here in Australia with our emissions, it’s not going to change the weather, it’s not going to change the temperature of the globe, it’s not going to prevent bad storms,”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/oct/10/tony-abbotts-climate-change-speech-loopy-says-labor

The answer to the question may lie within the book The Brass Check by Upton Sinclair published in 1919 along with claims that climate change is all about money and big business.

The latter is reported here...

http://www.politico.eu/article/big-business-behind-climate-change/

Big business behind climate change

Why corporate sponsors are underwriting the COP21 conference in Paris

Big corporations, ranging from banks to utilities and carmakers, have dug deep into their marketing budgets to help bankroll the Paris summit, stumping up about one fifth of its €170 million cost.

This fact coupled with the information sinclair provided below does help with wising up to this and other scams we are given as truths by the media.

Sinclair criticizes newspapers as ultra-conservative and supporting the political and economic powers that be, or as sensational tabloids practicing yellow journalism, such as newspapers run by William Randolph Hearst. In both cases, their purpose is to promote the business interests of the paper's owners, the owner's bankers, and/or the paper's advertisers. This is accomplished in several ways; a@@@@ them: The publishers tell the editors what can and cannot be printed. Journalists routinely invent stories. To stimulate circulation, newspapers sensationalize trivial stories and destroy lives and reputations. Errors and slanders are never retracted, or the retraction is buried in the paper months later.

The editors and journalists of the Associated Press (AP) wire service fail to serve the public interest in the same way as employees of the individual papers. Controlled by 41 large newspaper corporations, the AP acts in their interests.

Sinclair quotes a letter from the editor of the weekly San Francisco Star, James H. Barry:

"You wish to know my "confidential opinion as to the honesty of the Associated Press." My opinion, not confidential, is that it is the damndest, meanest monopoly on the face of the earth--the wet-nurse for all other monopolies. It lies by day, it lies by night, and it lies for the very lust of lying. Its news-gatherers, I sincerely believe, only obey orders."

Sinclair challenged those who charged him with inaccuracy to review his published facts and to sue him for libel if they found he had been wrong. None did

The text is also freely available on the Internet,

Anyone interested in reading the book can do so at the link below
https://archive.org/details/cu31924026364251
 
Some may say, 'that's all good and well about newspapers Boszi but there's a few educated folk on VF, they often inform us they attended top universities and all that, surely they are smart enough to see through these scams, lower their cognitive dissonance levels and accept truth?

At first glance you would have so, however It may not be that easy for these folk, because the question that has got to be asked is are these folk actually being educated or in reality are they being indoctrinated?

For example, into a kind of Prussian industrial school model which was designed to produce obedient citizens, not creative free thinkers who would challenge the system.

Any evidence to back up this line of thought?

Again the answer may be found in the writings of Upton Sinclair, who studied at Columbia University in New York City, In another book , The Goose-step: A Study of American Education 1923.

The title suggested that students in American universities and colleges were being trained to think in unison like German students.

This is not surprising, he implies, as the presidents of major universities--Princeton, Columbia, Harvard, Pennsylvania, Yale, University of California-Berkeley and Stanford (p. 115), and the chancellor of New York University (p. 314)--had studied in Germany. "Everyone of them learned the Goose-step under the Kaiser"

For each school , Sinclair describes how the interlocking directorate exercises its influence on the school's Board of Trustees. Bankers and powerful local businessmen dominate the boards, ensuring that school policies support their class interest.

This occurs in various ways.

The school president serves the board rather than the educational interest of the students.

Unqualified but politically conservative men are hired as administrators or professors.

University funds are invested at artificially low interest rates at favored banks. Schools purchase land from people in their administration. The administration represses radical students and prohibits speeches by Socialists like Sinclair.

Students at state universities, which are funded by the public, are nevertheless taught to serve the interests of the rich.

A major theme is professors' inability to speak freely in or out of class without fearing for their jobs (academic freedom).

Rather, the Board of Trustees, acting through the school's president, suppressed any criticism of the status quo.

Many faculty members were dismissed, driven out or denied promotion because of their political activities or views. Sinclair stated that academic freedom was suppressed at church-sponsored and tax-supported (state) schools, as well as at private ones.

"I talked with another professor at Chicago, who does not want his name used. I asked him what he thought about the status of his profession, and he gave the best description of academic freedom in America that I have yet come upon. He said, 'We are good cows; we stand quietly in our stanchions, and give down our milk at regular hours. We are free, because we have no desire to do anything but what we are told we ought to do. And we die of premature senility.'"

Critics have usually praised The Goose-step for bringing an enormous mass of information together in an engaging and readable book, an "honest effort to find out the truth" and "indispensable to any student of present American life."

Thus, if the above line of thought is correct, whilst encountering posts on VF from these highly indoctrinated fellows, especially regarding government lies, scams and truth (911 , 10 11 etc...), the above points raised by Upton Sinclair have to be bourne in mind.
 
Yes, education is such a curse.

As one of many possible examples of your loopiness. You cite an article stating that the lack of dollars scooped by An Inconvenient Sequel was a sign that the american public were wising up to the hoax. So presumably, by the same token, the fact that War for the Planet of the Apes was a runaway success is a sign that...?

The thing about proper education is that it teaches you to think critically, read widely, make your own observations, evaluate evidence properly, and form arguments based on that process. It doesn't tell you to believe slavishly the government, or that conspiracy theorists are crackpots.

Why don't you spend some time comparing the "big business of climate change" (presumably renewables, etc?) and the fossil fuel industry? Who holds the cash? Who controls the governments? This is your hobby, isn't it? Surely this is right up your street?

"Plot idea: 97% of the world's scientists contrive an environmental crisis, but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires & oil companies."

(Of course, the remaining three percent have recently been reanalysed and found to be based on flawed science.)
 
boszi - 18/10/2017 12:33

It's about having the courage to challenge things Paz, to many folk content to follow group think.

As Mark Twain said "It's easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled"

At some point it will become glaring obvious, even to the cognitively-dissonant, that this and other events are staged to push agendas.

At what time this point arrives is anyones guess, however I dont envisage it to be in the near future.

For example, It took Copernicus' ideas on planetary motion nearly a hundred years to seriously take hold, so I guess i'll probrably be dead before our climatologist and friends admit to themselves they are being lied to and that reality as portrayed by the media is not what it seems.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-PzdN3Q5lac
 
I think you're quite right about education itto, can't knock it. Can I also add that age is also a great learning experience, perhaps a bit more "hands on" in the sense that you learn as you go. The hard way, and there really is no substitute, a bit like sink or swim.
I was reading only yesterday that here in the Antipodes that out of the current crop of Uni finishers only a majority were able to get a job and a sizable minority were left in limbo. Into the bargain we'have a shortage of tradies and they are the big earners here these days.
My eldest son (who I'm pretty sure would be older than you) decided at an early age that he wanted to be a plumber, he now employs 12 or 14 people and has a good lifestyle. Mind you he works hard for what he's got.
I think the point I'm probably trying to make is that a good education is ideal so long as you put it to good use and to do that you should have a practical head on your shoulders and I.m sure that you have that.

Just to add to that itto, this same son has two sons and a daughter. One son is a qualified electrician, the other on his way to qualifying as a carpenter (leading to being a builder) and the girl is also on her way to doing something of a similar nature. This is the way that things are starting to go over here.

As Bob Dylon said "Times they are achangeing".







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Old Red Fart - 20/10/2017 11:09

I think you're quite right about education itto, can't knock it.

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Yes, but the right education ORF.


True education is the drawing out of the inherent beauty and talent inside of us.

1) 'Educate' - The term education has been derived from the Latin word 'educare'. The term 'educare' means 'to bring up', 'to rise', and 'to nourish'. The child has to bring up like a plant in the garden by the teacher. His potentialities should be developed with proper care and nourishment.
       2) 'Educere' -  The term education has been derived from the Latin word 'educere'. The term 'educere' means 'to lead out', 'to draw out' and 'to bring from'. Each and every child has the innate powers. The innate powers of the child should be properly cared, given scope to develop. It should be located and proper education to be develope

What Upton Sinclair was bringing to attention was that the higher level University attendees don't recieve this type of education rather they are indoctrinated into a system of beliefs contrived by the elite ruling class.

verb (used with object), indoctrinated, indoctrinating.
1.
to instruct in a doctrine, principle, ideology, etc., especially to imbue with a specific partisan or biased belief or point of view.

John D. Rockefeller is widely quoted as saying, “I don’t want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers.”

As someone said.... Isn’t it one of the main characteristics of tyrannies that they try to shield certain historical and political issues from criticism by declaring them loopy?

And what exactly is it that makes a thinker “loopy”?

Just the fact that he thinks the unthinkable, the unwanted?

Isn’t it exactly that which made Socrates a great philosopher?

Which turns out attention to another truth suppressing topic...

88yo 'Nazi Grandma' gets 6 months in jail for denying Holocaust... again
https://www.rt.com/news/406932-holocaust-denial-sentence-granny-court/

To get a backgound on the issue Ive began reading the following academic reports by revisionists...Carlo Mattogno Germar Rudolf

I will draw my own conclusions once fully read.

Auschwitz-Lies. Legends, Lies, And Prejudices On
The Holocaust
By Carlo Mattogno Germar Rudolf

https://archive.org/details/Holocaust_Handbooks

Auschwitz Lies Legends, Lies, and Prejudices on the Holocaust
Link download : Rudolf_Germar_-_Mattogno_Carlo_-_Auschwitz_Lies.zip

http://www.freepdf.info/index.php?post/Rudolf-Germar-Mattogno-Carlo-Auschwitz-Lies




 
Yup. Socrates and you are two peas in a pod.


So now you're potentially on the way to holocaust denial.? Do your careful thinking and be sure to come back and tell us all your conclusions.


In the meantime, how does this brainwashing in the "higher level" universities manifest itself? Have you seen it with your own eyes? Why is it done at that stage rather than in the national curriculum, which would surely be easier and target more vulnerable young minds? Who is in charge? The academics that devise the curricula? Or student welfare? Or the student experience? Individual lecturers? The Professors? The councils? The Principals? The crusty old Deans? What the fook are you on about? Please be specific.
 
in_the_top_one - 20/10/2017 21:24

Yup. Socrates and you are two peas in a pod.
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Whilst somewhat flattered by that statement itto, I'm not entirely in agreement with it.

Yes, I like to thing along the same lines as Socrates….

Quote…

"Because Socrates was no transmitter of information that others were passively to receive, he resists the comparison to teachers. Rather, he helped others recognize on their own what is real, true, and good (Plato, Meno, Theaetetus)—a new, and thus suspect, approach to education. He was known for confusing, stinging and stunning his conversation partners into the unpleasant experience of realizing their own ignorance, a state sometimes superseded by genuine intellectual curiosity."

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/socrates/

The following focal point is my main contention of disagreement….

Quote…

"The extant sources agree that Socrates was profoundly ugly, resembling a satyr more than a man."

Whilst I don't possess the looks of Jonny Depp i'd rather class myself as brutishly handsome as opposed to profoundly ugly.


 
in_the_top_one - 20/10/2017 21:24

In the meantime, how does this brainwashing in the "higher level" universities manifest itself? Have you seen it with your own eyes? Why is it done at that stage rather than in the national curriculum, which would surely be easier and target more vulnerable young minds? Who is in charge? The academics that devise the curricula? Or student welfare? Or the student experience? Individual lecturers? The Professors? The councils? The Principals? The crusty old Deans? What the fook are you on about? Please be specific.
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Really itto, you must start to pay attention and actually read posts.

I've stated on more than one occasion it is not me making these accusations rather Upton Sinclair.

He graduated in June 1897 and studied at Columbia University New York City .

His major was Law, but he was more interested in writing, and he learned several languages including Spanish, German and French.

Sinclair's work was well known and popular in the first half of the twentieth century, and he won the Pulitzer Prize in 1943.

Sinclair's famous line is "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it"

In 1906, Sinclair acquired particular fame for his classic muck-raking novel The Jungle, which exposed labor and sanitary conditions in the U.S. meat packing industry, causing a public uproar that contributed in part to the passage a few months later of the 1906 Pure Food and Drug Act and the Meat Inspection Act.

However, what concerns us is his book Goose-step: A Study of American Education 1923.

As I wrote in preceeding posts…..

For each school , Sinclair describes how the interlocking directorate exercises its influence on the school's Board of Trustees. Bankers and powerful local businessmen dominate the boards, ensuring that school policies support their class interest.

This occurs in various ways.

The school president serves the board rather than the educational interest of the students.

Unqualified but politically conservative men are hired as administrators or professors.

University funds are invested at artificially low interest rates at favored banks. Schools purchase land from people in their administration. The administration represses radical students and prohibits speeches by Socialists like Sinclair.

Students at state universities, which are funded by the public, are nevertheless taught to serve the interests of the rich.

A major theme is professors' inability to speak freely in or out of class without fearing for their jobs (academic freedom).

Rather, the Board of Trustees, acting through the school's president, suppressed any criticism of the status quo.

Many faculty members were dismissed, driven out or denied promotion because of their political activities or views. Sinclair stated that academic freedom was suppressed at church-sponsored and tax-supported (state) schools, as well as at private ones.

"I talked with another professor at Chicago, who does not want his name used. I asked him what he thought about the status of his profession, and he gave the best description of academic freedom in America that I have yet come upon. He said, 'We are good cows; we stand quietly in our stanchions, and give down our milk at regular hours. We are free, because we have no desire to do anything but what we are told we ought to do. And we die of premature senility.'"

Critics have usually praised The Goose-step for bringing an enormous mass of information together in an engaging and readable book, an "honest effort to find out the truth" and "indispensable to any student of present American life."

Heres a link…

https://archive.org/details/goosestepstudyof00sinc

Hope that's specific enough for you.
 
in_the_top_one - 20/10/2017 21:24

Who is in charge?
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Again, I refer to Upton Sinclair who may help you with this question......

The Goslings, a study of American Schools 1924


INTRODUCTORY

Life has given you one of its precious treasures, a child; a body to nurture, a character to train, a mind with endless possibilities of growth, a soul with hidden stores of tenderness and beauty—all these are Nature's gifts.

Modern science has shown that within the child's soul lies magically locked up all the past of our race; also, it is evident that within it lies all the future of our race.

What our children are now being made is what America will be.

You send these little ones to school. Twenty-three millions of them troop off every week-day morning, with their shining faces newly washed, their clothing cleaned and mended. You bear them, you rear them, with infinite pains and devotion you prepare them, and feed them into the gigantic educational machine.

You do not know much about this machine. You have turned it over to others to run. Every year you pay to maintain it a billion dollars of wealth which you have produced by real and earnest toil. You take it for granted that this billion dollars is competently used; that those who run the machine are giving your twenty-three million children the best education that forty-three dollars and forty seven cents per child will buy.

The purpose of this book is to show you how the "invisible government" of Big Business which controls the rest of America has taken over the charge of your children.

In the course of a public debate with the writer, in the Civic Club in New York City, May, 1922, Dr. Tildsley, district superintendent of the public school system of that city, made the statement:

"I do not know any school system in the United States which is run for the benefit of the children. They are all run for the benefit of the gang."

This statement, made upon high authority, is the thesis of "The Goslings."

Come with me and let me show you what is this "gang" which runs the school system of the United States; how they got their power, what use they make of it, and what this means to the bodies and minds of your twenty-three million little ones.

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b273651;view=1up;seq=20

 
in_the_top_one - 20/10/2017 21:24

In the meantime, how does this brainwashing in the "higher level" universities manifest itself?
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intellectual cowadism.

<img src="https://www.timeshighereducation.com/sites/default/files/styles/the_breaking_news_image_style/public/Pictures/web/m/e/u/man-in-suit-hiding-beneath-desk.jpg?itok=XeZaPaeI" alt="Girl in a jacket" style="width:500px;height:400px;">
 
boszi - 24/10/2017 11:49

in_the_top_one - 20/10/2017 21:24

In the meantime, how does this brainwashing in the "higher level" universities manifest itself? Have you seen it with your own eyes? Why is it done at that stage rather than in the national curriculum, which would surely be easier and target more vulnerable young minds? Who is in charge? The academics that devise the curricula? Or student welfare? Or the student experience? Individual lecturers? The Professors? The councils? The Principals? The crusty old Deans? What the fook are you on about? Please be specific.
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Really itto, you must start to pay attention and actually read posts.

I've stated on more than one occasion it is not me making these accusations rather Upton Sinclair.
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Ugh, but you do keep going on about it.. Your pivots are very boring and slippery.
So, to cut the crap, do you believe this nonsense or not?
 
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