I do think this is what the elite do so well.
They get 'us' all arguing amongst ourselves, and they get away with murder.
If people on all sides here are too entrenched to realise the above isn't true, then I may have lost all hope.
It's as obvious as the day is long, but folks are now stuck on 'this was said previously' and are focusing on the tree and not the forest.
I didn't realise a debate needed name calling or accusations or insinuations, you're all doing it in your own way now sadly. Reports from reputable outlets that face sanctions (weak as they are in my humble) are being given a bias the article never alludes to by a single comment to back up an entrenched comment.
What happened to rigorous debate whilst agreeing we could agree to disagree on things, as not everyone (like me) has the time to pen a fucking essay making my thoughts clear (when not drunk) and it was accepted others may post things that lack a bit of greater context because they are more at speed in their posting?
Do we need to go to war over words not said, that have been said in prior posts by the very same users? Do we need to go to war when other posters question that lack of omission by digging in rather than simply taking a minute or two to add that extra context?
Do we really need to waste this much time and energy by micro posting and creating additional and further division on a simple forum on things that in actual reality are not important. Royals, religion, the BLM thread that moved off actual racism (and I was a part of it until it no longer mattered) the Marxist/wannabee chancers that most of us aligned against.
How many threads have to go so far off topic and waste that much of our time on things that cease to be relevant?
Debate is a move to common ground - each side grows and learns - I've seen fucking little of that over the last few pages, and member relationships have suffered because of a lack of a word, or digging in and childish fucking insults being slung around by members (and friends I think) I'd expected a shit load better from.
Vital Villa will never solve the world, equally Vital Villa is not 4Chan - shit arguments and lines in the sand should only happen on manager threads.
For the rest of it, all of you wind your fucking necks in. We can argue, but we are not enemies - so stop treating each other as such - and have respect for things you don't believe that works for thousands of people on the planet. Just the same as stop believing someone who is thrust into the limelight through no effort of their own must be a wrongun.
Simples - just quit the shit.
And no I don't want a debate or a response, if anyone feels that strongly take it to PM and I'll choose whether to respond or not because right now quite frankly I am severely disappointed at people I respect and like.
I can't believe so many missed JF's quite perfect nudge here.