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I've got a lot of time for Danny. Always gives his all on the pitch and even though he has blabbed about certain things that he shouldnt, he has worked his way back from these issues. He does love the club and I totally understand why he was aiming for a move at the time he was, so I have zero issue with him.

I just hope he stays fit for once. He's got to manage himself better but I feel he is always going to injure himself often because of his determined style of play.
 
We didn't buy Rose with mental health issues when he was a teenager. We didn't buy Lennon that way either. However, I'm still feeling that our club didn't do the right things in the periods of their career when they needed the support infrastructure from their employer. That makes Spurs no different from a load of other clubs by the way.

My take on it is that Rose had resentment towards Spurs for not doing the right thing by him when he needed help. In a normal workplace you get training and can see the symptoms of your colleagues. It's the network around you that is as important as the specialists. In an environment full of "alpha males", it's hard to show weakness and I'm guessing it plays out slightly differently.

I don't resent Rose for wanting to leave Spurs when the depression hit. Quite a normal behaviour to draw a line under this chapter and try to start a new one and naively think the demons will go away in the process. So glad he addressed it and stayed and for me our best player in the second half off this season. I hope we look for a successor but I'll be looking forward to his 13th season at the club.
 
muttley said:
We didn't buy Rose with mental health issues when he was a teenager. We didn't buy Lennon that way either. However, I'm still feeling that our club didn't do the right things in the periods of their career when they needed the support infrastructure from their employer. That makes Spurs no different from a load of other clubs by the way.

My take on it is that Rose had resentment towards Spurs for not doing the right thing by him when he needed help. In a normal workplace you get training and can see the symptoms of your colleagues. It's the network around you that is as important as the specialists. In an environment full of "alpha males", it's hard to show weakness and I'm guessing it plays out slightly differently.

I don't resent Rose for wanting to leave Spurs when the depression hit. Quite a normal behaviour to draw a line under this chapter and try to start a new one and naively think the demons will go away in the process. So glad he addressed it and stayed and for me our best player in the second half off this season. I hope we look for a successor but I'll be looking forward to his 13th season at the club.
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I'm not trying to be argumentative muttley, but how do we know what the club did or didn't do. One thing I've learnt about footballers is nothing is ever there fault, having said that I really would be disappointed in the club if they didn't do everything they could to help him. At the end of the day it is in the clubs interest to look after their interest so why wouldn't they, it's not like it would cost the club a fortune to help him.
While the club should offer support the onus is on the person suffering to seek help, where were Danny family and friends when he needed help.
I really don't buy into the narrative that the club didn't do enough, I would need more evidence than has been provided by Danny before I would draw that conclusion.
 
muttley said:
We didn't buy Rose with mental health issues when he was a teenager. We didn't buy Lennon that way either. However, I'm still feeling that our club didn't do the right things in the periods of their career when they needed the support infrastructure from their employer. That makes Spurs no different from a load of other clubs by the way.

My take on it is that Rose had resentment towards Spurs for not doing the right thing by him when he needed help. In a normal workplace you get training and can see the symptoms of your colleagues. It's the network around you that is as important as the specialists. In an environment full of "alpha males", it's hard to show weakness and I'm guessing it plays out slightly differently.

I don't resent Rose for wanting to leave Spurs when the depression hit. Quite a normal behaviour to draw a line under this chapter and try to start a new one and naively think the demons will go away in the process. So glad he addressed it and stayed and for me our best player in the second half off this season. I hope we look for a successor but I'll be looking forward to his 13th season at the club.
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Rose and his agent were pushing for a move long before his injury.

As it was told to me after his move fell through, that's when he went into his slump, as the club/Poch was rightly also angry at his very public criticisms of it as he was maneuvering for a move.

Perhaps he simply didn't like being held to account for his and his agent's media shenanigans?

We will never know, personally, I'm feeling far more cynical about this sudden bout of honesty and openness from him after the plans and advice of a particularly grubby agent back-fired.

But wtf do I know!?
 
Topspur1 said:
I'm not trying to be argumentative muttley, but how do we know what the club did or didn't do. One thing I've learnt about footballers is nothing is ever there fault, having said that I really would be disappointed in the club if they didn't do everything they could to help him. At the end of the day it is in the clubs interest to look after their interest so why wouldn't they, it's not like it would cost the club a fortune to help him.
While the club should offer support the onus is on the person suffering to seek help, where were Danny family and friends when he needed help.
I really don't buy into the narrative that the club didn't do enough, I would need more evidence than has been provided by Danny before I would draw that conclusion.
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It's too easy to blame the club. Footballers have access to resources that the average man can only dream about, both for physical and mental ailments.

Their every whim is catered for and every player is regularly assessed for their psychological outlook, of course as in any walk of life, if and I repeat 'if' he hid it from all and sundry, then it's easy enough to do.

Afraid, I'm going to remain a real cynic about the motivations around all this as sadly I think in this case I know too much and have seen these strokes played all too often in all walks of life.

Of course, I hope I'm dead wrong, but I bet I'm not.
 
Not wanting to open a can of worms on a football forum, but I have long held the opinion that big business will never be able to control mental health in the way they think they can and that scares them, hence why Man Utd asked Rose about his mental health. Support networks in business are band-aids at best because it is the very nature of the business world that causes a vast majority of issues. It is too ruthless, too impersonal, too goal focused and too controlling.

Add to this a very masculine environment with a wide variety of nationalities, religious beliefs and backgrounds and you have an absolute hotbox for mental health issues. It's a much bigger problem than we will realise and I wouldnt be surprised if in the next 10 years we see an increase in suicides in high-profile football as the money spirals out of control and clubs/agents/sponsors put more pressure on the footballers.
 
Danny is on Talksport at 5p.m.to talk about Harry Kane, Racism, mental health and to tell everyone how angry he was that a prospective employer wanted to check if he was mentally ill.

Enjoy.
 
Interesting interview on TS. Two points about Harry Kane, he did lose it in the dressing room, Danny confirmed it. That undermines Poch a bit who said Harry didn't say anything. Danny also said when Harry goes, he goes. Sam Matterface was surprised but I'm not. I have seen the red mist from him on the pitch before.

Danny also kind of spilled the beans on Harry's fitness when asked. He didn't really want to say anything so Sam asked if it was a secret and Danny laughed and said....yeah.
 
Nick Real Deal said:
Kind of nice for Danny to say he perhaps wished he hadn't mentioned the mental health thing before the world cup. He said he didn't mean to put a downer on it.
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hmmm, nothing comes out of a players mouth in a pre-set interview unless it's cleared by or planted by the agent.

Sorry, his agent as far as I'm concerned set up a series of interviews in the hope of pissing off the club to get the move he'd set up without losing his/Danny's percentage - and it all went terribly wrong; just remember that Danny himself said the first thing he did was ring his agent when the club asked to assess his mental health....

As if his agent didn't know.

Sorry, seen press manipulation like this by players at all levels a hundred times.

I hope he's genuine, but I just don't believe him.
 
Again...everything he is doing is calculated. Make no mistake he knows what he is doing and is only saying things to keep the attention and spotlight on himself.

I simply wish he would shut the hell up and play the game. If you are going to talk, which Danny is, he can't help himself...then cease talking about other players and coaches and focus simply on yourself.

I honestly would be ok with this distraction departing the club.
 
Nick Real Deal said:
Interesting interview on TS. Two points about Harry Kane, he did lose it in the dressing room, Danny confirmed it. That undermines Poch a bit who said Harry didn't say anything. Danny also said when Harry goes, he goes. Sam Matterface was surprised but I'm not. I have seen the red mist from him on the pitch before.

Danny also kind of spilled the beans on Harry's fitness when asked. He didn't really want to say anything so Sam asked if it was a secret and Danny laughed and said....yeah.
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I knew Kane did. He isn't the type to just stay quiet when things are not going well. With him being injured it probably made him more angry.

I knew Poch wouldn't like it that's why he tried to squash the rumour. His ego can't allow anyone else taking the credit.

I bet if Kane didn't do that talk we wouldn't have won.
 
It's not thinking the worst. It's reading between the lines and making an opinion on some evidence that is presented to us.

Poch didn't have a problem saying Hugo did a talk so why does it matter if Kane did?
 
Real Deal said:
It's not thinking the worst. It's reading between the lines and making an opinion on some evidence that is presented to us.

Poch didn't have a problem saying Hugo did a talk so why does it matter if Kane did?
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For Kane to inspire the players and not Hugo or Poch kind of challenges who is motivating the team. The manager, the captain or somebody that cares enough.
 
I just have a feeling that Kane got there first. He knows that Poch addresses the entire team together at half time and he knows that Lloris speaks afterwards as they head back out. He wouldn't undermine either.

My guess was that Kane was the welcoming ceremony as they entered the changing room after a poor first half. He was probably saying his thing when everyone else was talking and he had the loudest voice. Wouldn't surprised me if he quietened a few of them down and then shut up himself as Poch spoke.

Prior to that I'm guessing Poch would have been managing the Wanyama and Llorente sub and setting the expectations with the 2 players.
 
Thing with Danny is that you really never know what you're going to get, whereas in his prime, he was brilliant every game.
I understand and appreciate his body is older, but as I was stating to my 13 year old boy on the weekend, attitude is everything.
 
10Hoddle said:
Thing with Danny is that you really never know what you're going to get, whereas in his prime, he was brilliant every game.
I understand and appreciate his body is older, but as I was stating to my 13 year old boy on the weekend, attitude is everything.
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I'm sort of feeling that if KWP had the attitude of Rose, he'd be a better player. Too busy going through the motions as opposed to that fighting spirit that has always allowed Rose to punch above his weight.
 
muttley said:
I'm sort of feeling that if KWP had the attitude of Rose, he'd be a better player. Too busy going through the motions as opposed to that fighting spirit that has always allowed Rose to punch above his weight.
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I dont think KWP is going through the motions. I just think he is under cooked. He needs games ANYWHERE! He is not and not sure he ever will be as mean/simply tough as Danny Rose, he will get stronger but that edge that Rose has why he talks without thinking bites back at bigots help make him a top player. By all accounts KWP is just a lovely mild good natured kid. He loves Spues and I wish him well but he may not make with us Now its loan and sink like CCV or swim like Harry Kane.
 
Having read up on Mr. Stromboli, apparently Danny is one of his clients which fits with EX’s view of the situation.
 
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