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Tarian said:
I live in Bromley too.
For such a 'disgrace', in 2018, Bromley Conservatives managed 2 gains and 3 losses. And 2 of the 'losses' were to ex-Cons. standing as Independents in Biggin Hill.

Yes, direct Council employee numbers have been reduced - and often services have continued via contractors.
So unless you cite specific Council services in Bromley that are measurably worse than neighbouring councils, your negative assertions are just that, assertions.
(FYI, I can give examples of Bromley Council inefficiency ...... but mostly its no worse than other councils.)

We're still waiting for specific examples of Thatcher 'centralisation'.
I may agree with you .... but the HoC report JoGills cited, gave examples under Labour Govts.
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The report I cited gave exmples of centralization under both Labour & Conservative administrations. I thought I had made that clear.

Getting re-elected does not prove anything other than that. I have been told ad nauseam that Labour fiefdoms in the North imposed years of failure on their electors beacuse the electors kept voting for them. What then of the tory areas where electors vote blue regardless. I presume that tories without checks and balances are naturally virtuous.

Industrial peace measured by days lost through strike action. Numbers of strikes determined by legal prescription. Industrial peace = my prejudices. It is generally recognised that the balance of power in pay bargaining has been pushed to far and is one of the reasons for wage inequality. That is not an exclusively left wing view.

Where are the new local power centres born from the complete lack of centralizing influences during the Thatcher years?
 
Gills 58 said:
Tarian must have been appalled at Sunak's first budget.
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A necessary response (by and large) to an external and worldwide cause - with a clear(-ish) end point.

A complete contrast to Labour's deliberate over-spending - increasing year on year - and on current and recurring stuff rather than long-lasting infrastructure.

Chalk and cheese !
 
Jerryattrick said:
Try thinking outside your own bubble and try to see things from all sides. It will hurt at first lol. Just quoting ‘facts’ and figures that you hope will assist your arguments without historic and political background means there can never be a meaningful discussion with you as there is no centre ground to start off with.
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Have you looked in the mirror ? (re "seeing all sides" etc )

If you have a problem with any of my (inverted commas to signify scepticism) "facts" please feel free to point out errors.

By "historic and political background", do you mean the anti-Thatcher narrative from partisan commentators ?

The "centre ground" is wherever left-leaning broadcasters say it is.

So either the voting public are mostly rabid "right wingers" or the "centre ground" isn't where you think it is.
 
Tarian said:
A necessary response (by and large) to an external and worldwide cause - with a clear(-ish) end point.

A complete contrast to Labour's deliberate over-spending - increasing year on year - and on current and recurring stuff rather than long-lasting infrastructure.

Chalk and cheese !
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Sunak's first budget was not a response to Coronavirus. They had turned their back on Austerity. Laughable that you are pretending the original budget was a response to Covid19. I knew you'd try to squirm out of it. Just made your excuses look worse. Dismal failure.

The response since the virus struck has been due to external circumstances, as you say. Interesting that in a crisis a massive dose of "Socialism" and government interference was required, just as during WW2. As you say, you will be loathing this intervention in the free market.
 
Been having a read of some of the blogs on the London School of Economics site by their top economists - very interesting. Many feel Sunak does not actually have a clue about how to claw the money back and that it may never get repaid and if it does it could take years as per WW2 repayments. They are split on what will actually happen and some fear austerity could be used - it would be far more severe than the last 10 years. Hmm.
 
Thats because (most) economists know f all but how to talk. They have been wrong on every major financial forecast - ever. Did they forecast - great depression, wall st crash, all the property bubbles, tech bubbles, last financial crash, brexit predictions in both directions, etc. Any predicting the inevitable crash before this virus hit us.
Any complaints about the banking system that was/is lending to businesses at zero percent so that the businesses can buy back their own shares inflating the stock market. Any noise that easing had been so extensive that there is nothing left to work incase of a crisis.
Any noise from them on the fact that the capitalist system aint capitalist in the sense that capitalism only works when there is competition and the mergers commissions across the world are toothless making corporations more powerful than government - its corporate communism.

Summary, they aint worth listening to lol.
 
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Tarian said:
Have you looked in the mirror ? (re "seeing all sides" etc )

If you have a problem with any of my (inverted commas to signify scepticism) "facts" please feel free to point out errors.

By "historic and political background", do you mean the anti-Thatcher narrative from partisan commentators ?

The "centre ground" is wherever left-leaning broadcasters say it is.

So either the voting public are mostly rabid "right wingers" or the "centre ground" isn't where you think it is.
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Do you actually read or think about anything you post? I will only say this once more, I don't get any f information from any f commentators or media. I dont give a shit about right or left,

I do care about totalitarian regimes though and I do also care if some political force decimates the manufacturing base of our country and along with other following governments sends at least a million jobs overseas whist failing to train people in this country before importing already trained labour. Left and f right, sounds like the brexit crap, I am for neither, its just divide and rule.

Any of my ideas are my own stupid ideas from years of historic and political research and experience. They may end up wrong but they are mine and I will adjust them if anyone gives me a different facts or views to look into.

You cannot even admit that the NHS may be something to be proud of.
If you cannot admit that some things, even if only one that Thatchers government may have done better then you may think you are a thinker but you are either a windup merchant or just a f puppet.
 
valenciagill said:
So how do you know what is happening now ? What happened yesterday ?
That's a daft statement !
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And you are surprised, daft is my middle name and changing my mind is my game lol.

My point is that I am not led by any media or commentator that influences my mind. I watch all media so as to get as much diverse information as I can get but am sceptical of them all.
I watch RT, Fox, CNN, indian, Japanese, french, chinese and aljazeera tv channels. I even watched TR instead of listening to the media, same as I investigate claims of antisemitism against labour etc.
I predicted trump, brexit, etc.

Still not sure which ‘leftie’ commentators there are!
 
Gills 58 said:
Sunak's first budget was not a response to Coronavirus. They had turned their back on Austerity. Laughable that you are pretending the original budget was a response to Covid19. I knew you'd try to squirm out of it. Just made your excuses look worse. Dismal failure.

The response since the virus struck has been due to external circumstances, as you say. Interesting that in a crisis a massive dose of "Socialism" and government interference was required, just as during WW2. As you say, you will be loathing this intervention in the free market.
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Sorry, been trying to avoid spending so much time challenging misconceptions ( both IMNVHO and factually ;). )

Did I miss Sunak's 'first' budget ?
Surely his only budget was dominated by responses to Covid ?
- NHS emergency top- up
- furlough scheme
- business loans etc

Wasn't the biggest non-virus item on road repairs ?

I'm sure there was at least one thing I wasn't keen on.....
..... but if Socialism is based on forced redistribution from high to low earners, I'd like to be reminded what was in Sunak's budget.

Borrowing is not by itself 'Socialist'. Surely it's just common sense ?
i.e. If it's for long term investment (infrastructure) it should be OK (subject to vfm).... or for an emergency.
Borrowing to cover current and ongoing commitments is mostly bad.
 
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Jerryattrick said:
And you are surprised, daft is my middle name and changing my mind is my game lol.

My point is that I am not led by any media or commentator that influences my mind. I watch all media so as to get as much diverse information as I can get but am sceptical of them all.
I watch RT, Fox, CNN, indian, Japanese, french, chinese and aljazeera tv channels. I even watched TR instead of listening to the media, same as I investigate claims of antisemitism against labour etc.
I predicted trump, brexit, etc.

Still not sure which ‘leftie’ commentators there are!
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Andrew Marr, Adam Boulton, James O'Brien, Sheila Fogarty.
All supposed to be neutral presenters - yet these (and others) will interrupt the disapproved of - often before a sentence has been completed - while allowing the 'approved' far more time to complete their case.

According to BBC and Sky, disapproved views are 'claims'.
Approved views are 'facts', so no need for qualifiers. i.e. 'is' 'are' not 'may be'.

BBC's Question Time - almost never fewer than 3 lefties and often 4 (study available).

Sky's Pledge - never fewer than 3. Can't think of anyone openly 'right wing'. (Nick Ferrari - occasionally)

Press Preview duos. The 'leftie' almost always presents their position as immutable 'fact' . The token 'rightie' almost always manages to see a nuanced interpretation.

Media handling of the virus has been dreadful. All gloom. All bad. Little context e.g. R o W.
Headlines like 'Boris' confused message' could have been written last week!
 
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Gills 58 said:
Keep digging.
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Thank for that reminder.
Digging holes and re-filling them is the usual metaphor for Keynsian-style (fake) job creation schemes that seem to follow socialist inclined governments.

BTW, you still haven't explained which bits of Sunak's budget were 'Socialist', i.e. redistributing
 
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Tarian said:
Thank for that reminder.
Digging holes and re-filling them is the usual metaphor for Keynsian-style (fake) job creation schemes that seem to follow socialist inclined governments.

BTW, you still haven't explained which bits of Sunak's budget were 'Socialist', i.e. resdistributing
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Government spending for starters and spending big time. That has never been a Tory policy.
 
Tarian said:
Andrew Marr, Adam Boulton, James O'Brien, Sheila Fogarty.
All supposed to be neutral presenters - yet these (and others) will interrupt the disapproved of - often before a sentence has been completed - while allowing the 'approved' far more time to complete their case.

According to BBC and Sky, disapproved views are 'claims'.
Approved views are 'facts', so no need for qualifiers. i.e. 'is' 'are' not 'may be'.

BBC's Question Time - almost never fewer than 3 lefties and often 4 (study available).

Sky's Pledge - never fewer than 3. Can't think of anyone openly 'right wing' .
(Nick Ferrari - occasionally)

Press Preview duos. The 'leftie' almost always presents their position as immutable 'fact' . The token 'rightie' almost always manages to see a nuanced interpretation.

Media handling of the virus has been dreadful. All gloom. All bad. Little context e.g. R o W.
Headlines like 'Boris' confused message' could have been written last week!
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And were you slaughtering the same media and presenters for any inaccuracies when they went full on against Corbyn, labour policies and joined the antisemitic witch hunt?

Your no better than people raging against trump, TR or boris, etc. If it don't fit you're agenda you are blind, no better than the media you are complaining about. Your mind is closed so there is no discussion to be had with you.

The media represents big corporations, globalists, pressure groups, financial interests and vested interest, thats it. All groups that have you in their pocket.

Obviously they are not independent.
 
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