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600 million sent to Syria .... what about the folk here that suffer from floods and the things ive mentioned above?

we have people dying on our own streets every day... but we bung 600m overseas.... that's something to be 'proud' of.
 
Barney2004 - 20/3/2014 11:27

just a question Ian, why do you live in Norway?
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Because I married a Norwegian so out of respect for her and my desire to not be left out I thought it wise to learn Norwegian and the only realistic way to do this was to move here. It's not like learning French or Spanish, all of Brum, at least a few years ago, had just one 1 hour class once a week to lean Norwegian. Since then the establishment of a family and all the financial ties that go with that have kept us here but we are continually looking for opportunities to move back to be near my parents in their final years (Dad is 81 and Mom is 77) Originally she was going to move to the UK and move in with me in my maisonette in Coventry but I was looking to change jobs anyway so having no other responsibilities was able to make the rather drastic move.
 
Barney2004 - 20/3/2014 11:30

Ian, we pay taxes at the moment to pay benefits etc... I'd prefer to pay taxes to help the people that have actually done something for this country...

instead of the government pumping money into things we don't need... why not pump it into looking after the disabled, looking after the elderly so then they don't have to sell their home, why not pump it into looking after our wounded soldiers?
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Regards the elderly selling their homes to pay for their place in an old folks home, as previously explained, I actually believe this is the right thing to do so I don't see it as a negative - see my previous post for details.

As for the other points, as I said, it's a balancing act that is no doubt a lot harder than you or I would have it to be.
 
Villan Of The North - 20/3/2014 10:36

Barney2004 - 20/3/2014 11:27

just a question Ian, why do you live in Norway?
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Because I married a Norwegian so out of respect for her and my desire to not be left out I thought it wise to learn Norwegian and the only realistic way to do this was to move here. It's not like learning French or Spanish, all of Brum, at least a few years ago, had just one 1 hour class once a week to lean Norwegian. Since then the establishment of a family and all the financial ties that go with that have kept us here but we are continually looking for opportunities to move back to be near my parents in their final years (Dad is 81 and Mom is 77) Originally she was going to move to the UK and move in with me in my maisonette in Coventry but I was looking to change jobs anyway so having no other responsibilities was able to make the rather drastic move.
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fair enough buddy... I thought maybe you got pissed off with this place lol.

Industry is another point... historically its something to be proud about... but now? why would people be proud of it... most of them have been sold leaving people out of work.


Englands/Britains past is something to be proud about....

but can you still be proud about how England is today and whats in-store for the future?
 
I think the thing here though Lee is that at heart you are a socialist, I am a capitalist. We both want the same things be disagree on how best to achieve them.
 
im not 'having a go' im just pointing out a few things about this country that fuck me off a bit.


we will have to agree to disagree on the elderly mate, because I believe they deserved to be looked after (esp as most of them fought in wars for this country) instead of the chavs that we look after of today.
 
Villan Of The North - 20/3/2014 10:40

I think the thing here though Lee is that at heart you are a socialist, I am a capitalist. We both want the same things be disagree on how best to achieve them.
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I think its beyond achieving now... not sure who its down to, but someone has f@cked this country up, and its beyond repair (I think) hope not, but in my life time this country will never be what it once was.
 
Barney2004 - 20/3/2014 11:42

im not 'having a go' im just pointing out a few things about this country that fuck me off a bit.


we will have to agree to disagree on the elderly mate, because I believe they deserved to be looked after (esp as most of them fought in wars for this country) instead of the chavs that we look after of today.
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I agree about looking after the elderly mate and those that don't have the means should get everything they need provided for by the state but as I said, why should the state pay only to protect the inheritance of their kids? Surely all this is doing is looking after their kids, not the elderly themselves.
 
Barney2004 - 20/3/2014 11:40



Industry is another point... historically its something to be proud about... but now? why would people be proud of it... most of them have been sold leaving people out of work.


Englands/Britains past is something to be proud about....

but can you still be proud about how England is today and whats in-store for the future?
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A good point and subsequent question. We do make a lot more than people realise but compared to yesteryear we are definitely small scale now. A sad result of several factors, not least over-powerful unions in the 60's to the mid 80's and the artificially cheap Chinese Yuan making China the world's factory.

Then again. focus has now changed, rather than large scale production the UK has become the home of much specialist knowledge and development, a process aided very much by the tradition for good quality universities. It's just a pity that the English and Welsh system has been watered down over the last 20 years with every man and his dog getting pointless degrees where a vocational qualification has sufficed for decades and still would.

Add to that that the UK is, despite the introduction of teh Euro som 2 decades ago, still the financial centre of Europe and one of the biggest financial centres in the world.

I think we all, me included, get blinded to what we do now by looking at what we don't do any more.
 
Villan Of The North - 20/3/2014 10:44

Barney2004 - 20/3/2014 11:42

im not 'having a go' im just pointing out a few things about this country that fuck me off a bit.


we will have to agree to disagree on the elderly mate, because I believe they deserved to be looked after (esp as most of them fought in wars for this country) instead of the chavs that we look after of today.
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I agree about looking after the elderly mate and those that don't have the means should get everything they need provided for by the state but as I said, why should the state pay only to protect the inheritance of their kids? Surely all this is doing is looking after their kids, not the elderly themselves.
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I know a lot of elderly people that stress that if they sell their house , then when its their time to go , their kids haven't got the house that they bought , and wanting to give to them. A lot of old people worry about that. My grandma wants to pass her house onto us, her grandchildren, even though we all have our own houses. But she , herself wont go into a care home no matter how bad she gets because of this very reason, because she worries about us, even though we have told her a million times that we are ok... I know its playing on her mind and I think its just a bit unfair. Shes worked for this country all of her life, and worked in factories during the war whilst my granddad fought in the war.... so I just think the country could give something back to her.

My granddad dies 2 years ago, he didn't want to sell their house for care.... I believe if he had the care that he deserved then he would still be here now. He was a stubborn old git mind you.
 
Oh I understand the human side of it Lee, we went though the same with my Nan about 20 years ago. In the end she had to experience that she could not cope on here own and accepted that she had no need for a house. She didn't like selling it but acknowledged that it was impractical to keep. I'm not so sure she gave a crap about things being fair for the tax-payer mind. lol

The thing is though Lee, where do we draw the line between what we have to do practically and people's emotional attachments and desires (some of which, as in the case of my Grandmother, are very impractical)?
 
am I proud of the way that old people have to sell their homes to afford care in later life? no....
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The problem with many old people when the home becomes too much for them, is the emotional attachment and the memories of the home...Yet the fact is, that the home itself becomes a problem..ie walking up the stairs, the cleaning, the maintenance(painting, decorating, gardening - which is usually pushed onto, or the burden of busy son's and daughters who have their own lives to live as well), cooking, mobility - and asking the government for funding to renovate all these homes of ALL the elderly, is just not doable. The money sent to Syria would be just pocket change in comparison. It would be just too large a job to complete.

Also once the elderly have passed away what then happens to these renovated homes for the elderly? No elderly would buy them because the government fund their own homes to be altered. We end up with a country where half the homes are kitted out for old people, rather than as family homes. Just live in your home all your life, pay taxes etc and when your old the government will fund all necessary alterations. - Eventually the majority of homes would all be fitted courtesy of the great British tax payer with mobility needs like chair lifts, easy access into and out of the bath etc...(and who funds the maintenance of all these when they need service/repair?)
 
Villan57 - 20/3/2014 12:23

Imagine being French :10: or fecking Welsh :10: :10:
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My initial reaction was to post "I'd rather not thanks" but then I realised that I have Welsh ancestry. Where the heck does that leave me?
 
Villan Of The North - 20/3/2014 11:32

Villan57 - 20/3/2014 12:23

Imagine being French :10: or fecking Welsh :10: :10:
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My initial reaction was to post "I'd rather not thanks" but then I realised that I have Welsh ancestry. Where the heck does that leave me?
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Makes you a rare bit of the population.
 
gator - 20/3/2014 12:46

Villan Of The North - 20/3/2014 11:32

Villan57 - 20/3/2014 12:23

Imagine being French :10: or fecking Welsh :10: :10:
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My initial reaction was to post "I'd rather not thanks" but then I realised that I have Welsh ancestry. Where the heck does that leave me?
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Makes you a rare bit of the population.
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Are you toasting me Andy? lol
 
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