Barney2004
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if you are what are your reasons to be?
if not, what are your reasons?
if not, what are your reasons?
proud to be English?
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Pride of Lions
I am now official
Yes I am.
Why?...... could be a hell of a lot worse........
Why?...... could be a hell of a lot worse........
Barney2004
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some could argue that it could be a hell of a lot better too :5:
SherlockGT
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proud to be English? RACIST! :56: :13:
V
Villan Of The North
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Having lived in Norway for nearly 15 years I can safely say that there are nicer places to live than England but no better people. The biggest faults we have also add to our charm, they are more quirks than faults, look here for proof http://themetapicture.com/21-brilliant-british-people-problems/
Barney2004
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there are good bits and bad bits of England....
am I proud of our royal family? yeah, I think so...
am I proud of our armed services? Yeah.
am I proud of the way that old people have to sell their homes to afford care in later life? no....
am I proud that people are losing homes and businesses to build a stretch of rail to save me 20 minutes to travel to London? .... no
the list could go on couldn't it?
am I proud of our royal family? yeah, I think so...
am I proud of our armed services? Yeah.
am I proud of the way that old people have to sell their homes to afford care in later life? no....
am I proud that people are losing homes and businesses to build a stretch of rail to save me 20 minutes to travel to London? .... no
the list could go on couldn't it?
V
Villan Of The North
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The UK might not meet most of our expectations in these areas and similar but it's a heck of a lot better than most countries at adressing these situations including the majority of the EU and North America.
I sometimes feel that those living in the UK don't appreciate what they have.
The Fear
A Wise Man (once sat next to him)
Don't care what other countries do Villan of the north.
Our treatment of troops is a disgrace, as is the way we are run by the old school tie brigade.
I'm more than bright enough to know, whilst living here, what we have here. I'm also able to see what is wrong and where we should massively improve.
The question wasn't are you proud to be English in comparison to other countries!
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Our treatment of troops is a disgrace, as is the way we are run by the old school tie brigade.
I'm more than bright enough to know, whilst living here, what we have here. I'm also able to see what is wrong and where we should massively improve.
The question wasn't are you proud to be English in comparison to other countries!
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Barney2004
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just because other countries are 'worse off' dosen't mean that this country is good....
V
Villan Of The North
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lol
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Villan Of The North
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Surely the only true measure of what is feasibly possible is comparison with those in a similar position trying to achieve the same aims. Therefore the situation in other countries is, in my opinion, extremely pertinent so :5: to you Mr Barnet. lol
Barney2004
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so because other countries are worse off than us... so our troops should feel quite lucky that they are treated bad here, and not as bad as other places... our eldery people should be glad that they have to sell their houses and pay for their care as other countries don't have care? is this what you mean....
I think the word 'proud' is taken lightly... how can anyone be proud of England whilst this kind of government is in place? robbing from the poor and working class.... is that something to be 'proud' about really?
I think the work you're looking for is 'glad' to be English. because we are a 'good' country... and the only reason we are a good country is because the rest are shite.
I've voted no. Because 'proud' is something im not. If I'd fought in the war all those years ago I would feel gutted of the way this country has become... that's not being 'proud'
am I glad to be English? yeah, like you said, theres worse countries.
Would I move out of England? Yeah I would.
V
Villan Of The North
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I think you may be suffering from "grass is always greener" syndrome Lee.
As for elderly people having to sell their homes to live in a nursing home, why shouldn't they? My Grandmother did and the only so called negative result was that when she died we inherited less money. Why do people think their right to inherit should supersede the responsibility to pay for one's own upkeep as long as one has the means to do so? On top of that, do you want to pay the extra taxes that you would need to pay to fund elderly care only for their houses to stand empty and then their kids to inherit when they do eventually die? If you are willing to fund other's inheritance then you are a more generous person than I, I have more pressing things to spend my income on, like housing, clothing and feeding my family.
I think the thing many fail to realise is that there are limited resources available and to reallocate them is not as easy or simple as to purely will is so. Even if the will is there, reallocating resources to the areas that you have suggested would necessarily mean cutting elsewhere and all the knock on effects this would have which may well lead to a lower quality of life for others. Are you the one to play God and decide this? I know I'm not but our political leaders have to do this on a daily basis so it's not really surprising that they don't move too quickly as they really don't want their decisions to be reactionary, I certainly don't want them to be.
It's all too easy to sit and point fingers but not so easy when you have too live in the real world of necessary compromise, as the Lib Dems found out the hard way, compromising many of their ideals in order to have a real influence. Many believe the price they have paid is too high, only their own consciences can really answer this but I suspect the ballot box might influence them more than a little too, next time around.
I know that some bright spark is going to now write about banker's bonuses and whilst in principle I agree it's also important to remember that if one doesn't pay enough then these people will go and find other, more lucrative employment. You may say, let them as the banks are not exactly ding well but I am presuming that in order to get the bonuses they have been meeting or exceeding the targets set for them on the planned and expected path to recovery. Ergo, they are actually doing a good job and by the very definition of market forces, are worth the money they are being paid. Is the situation palatable? No but it seems to be necessary to get these banks operating correctly again.
As for elderly people having to sell their homes to live in a nursing home, why shouldn't they? My Grandmother did and the only so called negative result was that when she died we inherited less money. Why do people think their right to inherit should supersede the responsibility to pay for one's own upkeep as long as one has the means to do so? On top of that, do you want to pay the extra taxes that you would need to pay to fund elderly care only for their houses to stand empty and then their kids to inherit when they do eventually die? If you are willing to fund other's inheritance then you are a more generous person than I, I have more pressing things to spend my income on, like housing, clothing and feeding my family.
I think the thing many fail to realise is that there are limited resources available and to reallocate them is not as easy or simple as to purely will is so. Even if the will is there, reallocating resources to the areas that you have suggested would necessarily mean cutting elsewhere and all the knock on effects this would have which may well lead to a lower quality of life for others. Are you the one to play God and decide this? I know I'm not but our political leaders have to do this on a daily basis so it's not really surprising that they don't move too quickly as they really don't want their decisions to be reactionary, I certainly don't want them to be.
It's all too easy to sit and point fingers but not so easy when you have too live in the real world of necessary compromise, as the Lib Dems found out the hard way, compromising many of their ideals in order to have a real influence. Many believe the price they have paid is too high, only their own consciences can really answer this but I suspect the ballot box might influence them more than a little too, next time around.
I know that some bright spark is going to now write about banker's bonuses and whilst in principle I agree it's also important to remember that if one doesn't pay enough then these people will go and find other, more lucrative employment. You may say, let them as the banks are not exactly ding well but I am presuming that in order to get the bonuses they have been meeting or exceeding the targets set for them on the planned and expected path to recovery. Ergo, they are actually doing a good job and by the very definition of market forces, are worth the money they are being paid. Is the situation palatable? No but it seems to be necessary to get these banks operating correctly again.
The Fear
A Wise Man (once sat next to him)
England/Britain has an amazing history for such a small island. We have wreaked havoc around the world mind you!!
Our history if contributing business, art, music etc wise is unbelievable really, again, for such a small place.
Must admit, I'd love to move from here now though, purely for better weather to help my aches, but probably never will! :3:
Our history if contributing business, art, music etc wise is unbelievable really, again, for such a small place.
Must admit, I'd love to move from here now though, purely for better weather to help my aches, but probably never will! :3:
Barney2004
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just a question Ian, why do you live in Norway?
Barney2004
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Ian, we pay taxes at the moment to pay benefits etc... I'd prefer to pay taxes to help the people that have actually done something for this country...
instead of the government pumping money into things we don't need... why not pump it into looking after the disabled, looking after the elderly so then they don't have to sell their home, why not pump it into looking after our wounded soldiers?
instead of the government pumping money into things we don't need... why not pump it into looking after the disabled, looking after the elderly so then they don't have to sell their home, why not pump it into looking after our wounded soldiers?
