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President Trump.

Just read in the last few days of the UK taking over an Iranian oil tanker off Gibraltar. Sounds like just what President Trump would have had a hand in. And in my opinion a wrong move. And on top of that there's a photo in our papers of Trump and our PM smiling at each other and a further article on Iran and the problems associated with that country.
At the moment there are 5 separate wars going on in the Middle East, none of them resolved and by the sound of it never will be. And here we are again looking possibly at another one, only this time with the Western world involved.
Talk about slow learners.
What seems to make this even worse is that Trump appears to have a pretty large following in the States, they seem to be living in a different world to me.
It's beginning to worry me.
 
Interesting to read the opinion of the British Ambassador regarding Trump, and also to read his opinion of the Ambassador and Mrs May in return.

Haven't laughed so much in ages.

Wonder if that leakage could have been deliberate.

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The funniest thing is that the brits haven't criticised or denied the ambassador's opinion. They've said that the ambassador was just doing his job and "speaking plainly".
I bet every European country's ambassadors are saying the same.

They probably say the same about our own "foolish and disfunctional" government. Could we possibly disagree with that analysis?
 
in_the_top_one said:
The funniest thing is that the brits haven't criticised or denied the ambassador's opinion. They've said that the ambassador was just doing his job and "speaking plainly".
I bet every European country's ambassadors are saying the same.

They probably say the same about our own "foolish and disfunctional" government. Could we possibly disagree with that analysis?
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Agreed itto, the bit that bothers me is that according to our papers over here Trump thinks a lot about Boris and he seems to be in favour in the UK. The inference here is that the feeling is mutual. Hope I'm wrong.
 
It isn't mutual at all.
You have to understand that Boris Johnson ONLY cares about Boris Johnson. He will say whatever.

Here he is saying that Trump is "clearly out of his mind" and displays a "quite stupefying ignorance" that makes him "frankly unfit to hold the office of President of the United States."

Maybe this is what he really thinks? Maybe not.
The trouble is that nobody can tell because he's a two-faced compulsive liar in the same mould as Trump.
My personal opinion is that he is much more liberal than he is making out at the moment because, right now, he only has to curry favour with the pale, male and stale Tory membership, and next week he will be desperate to get the support of Trump who (when speaking in less constrained times) he has said he thinks is unfit. That is about as far ahead as he is capable of thinking.
He himself is wholly unfit for the office of PM or any other cabinet position for a host of reasons. He has only held one cabinet post and he screwed it up.

He will probably be the first prime minister where we don't even know how many children he has. Maybe he doesn't know himself.
 
in_the_top_one said:
My personal opinion is that he is much more liberal than he is making out at the moment
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Intelligence often comes down on the side of leniency and trust and not making a hasty decision and trying to read between the lines. So, fair play.

The one stumbling block I have tho is that he's a Tory. In fact irrespective of all the brexit stuff, those that voted Tory in the first place make my skin crawl :( At least with Brexiters, no matter how poilitically incorrect they say we are, we really do know that its an intelligence divide. So it isnt really their fault in a way. In fact its a result of a broken Britain dominated by Tory mantra
 
paz1967 said:
Intelligence often comes down on the side of leniency and trust and not making a hasty decision and trying to read between the lines. So, fair play.

The one stumbling block I have tho is that he's a Tory. In fact irrespective of all the brexit stuff, those that voted Tory in the first place make my skin crawl :( At least with Brexiters, no matter how poilitically incorrect they say we are, we really do know that its an intelligence divide. So it isnt really their fault in a way. In fact its a result of a broken Britain dominated by Tory mantra
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Firstly you only need to do some basic maths to work out that far more non-tory voters voted for Brexit than tories. No proof whatsoever there is any educational divide either, but if you think Brexiteers are older, wiser and better educated, who am I to argue with you !
 
Just to get back on to Trump again, Oz is now committed to one of our warships and troops helping out in the waters off Iran. It's bloody annoying that it was Trump in the first place who initiated this business by withdrawing from the original agreement.
If he carries on in this fashion I think there's an outside chance that someone will eventually try to knock him off, not that they'll have any success, he'll be too well guarded for that, but the amount of damage he's doing and has already done is enormous.

And the USA will never win in an economic battle with China.
 
Trump is a vile bloke, but is he wrong on China and Iran? Iran could be on the verge of getting nuclear weapons. Do we really want that to happen? As for China, the US trade deficit was £419 billion pounds in 2018. The West has been buying Chinese goods and educating the Chinese population in the belief that this would bring about more democracy. Even Nottingham University has a branch in China.They have now locked up a million muslim Uighurs. Should any of us be buying Chinese goods? Look what is happening to Hong Kong too. Dread to think what could happen there.

https://www.axios.com/uighur-muslim...ina-7d682095-4dcc-4b7b-8368-09e73ae7178a.html

https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-china-trade-deficit-causes-effects-and-solutions-3306277
 
Yes LK, he is a vile bloke and he's wrong about both China and Iran. In the case of Iran that country was complying with the conditions laid down to it regarding nuclear use and Trump disagreeing with them when his term as President started resulting in him throwing a hissy fit and pulling the USA out of the agreement. The rest of the countries involved are still there. And that includes the UK.
The West has been buying Chinese goods because they're cheaper and sometimes better value, and that includes me. If you happen to be the average family man cost comes first and democracy a long way second, at least that's the way it always was with me.
I've been to Hong Kong and China a few times now and it's nothing like living in Nottingham, in my opinion the average Chinese works hard to get not much but progress is being made. We have a large Chinese population here and mostly they're good hard working people.
Your view about the West buying Chinese goods in the hope that this would encourage more Chinese democracy makes me laugh, that's certainly not the view held here. I've never heard that mentioned with regard to China.

I still blame Trump for a large proportion of the worlds ills. And he's still in power!
 
Old Red Fart said:
Yes LK, he is a vile bloke and he's wrong about both China and Iran. In the case of Iran that country was complying with the conditions laid down to it regarding nuclear use and Trump disagreeing with them when his term as President started resulting in him throwing a hissy fit and pulling the USA out of the agreement. The rest of the countries involved are still there. And that includes the UK.
The West has been buying Chinese goods because they're cheaper and sometimes better value, and that includes me. If you happen to be the average family man cost comes first and democracy a long way second, at least that's the way it always was with me.
I've been to Hong Kong and China a few times now and it's nothing like living in Nottingham, in my opinion the average Chinese works hard to get not much but progress is being made. We have a large Chinese population here and mostly they're good hard working people.
Your view about the West buying Chinese goods in the hope that this would encourage more Chinese democracy makes me laugh, that's certainly not the view held here. I've never heard that mentioned with regard to China.

I still blame Trump for a large proportion of the worlds ills. And he's still in power!
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I reckon the Americans will rid themselves of Trump in next year's election. With Boris also gone & Brexit consigned to the dustbin along with Bolsanaro it could be a good for us & the rest of the planet when we can start to tackle the most important issue facing us which is climate change. In the meantime those who have given up their gardens to providing parking spaces for their cars could reintroduce them to provide once again natural ways of preventing flash flooding.
 
RedBasie said:
I reckon the Americans will rid themselves of Trump in next year's election. With Boris also gone & Brexit consigned to the dustbin along with Bolsanaro it could be a good for us & the rest of the planet when we can start to tackle the most important issue facing us which is climate change. In the meantime those who have given up their gardens to providing parking spaces for their cars could reintroduce them to provide once again natural ways of preventing flash flooding.
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Where is Boris going ? Recent polls have shown that British citizens would rather have a no deal Brexit than a Corbyn government. I've always been a Labour supporter, but I won't vote for a Marxist government.
 
Lienking said:
Where is Boris going ? Recent polls have shown that British citizens would rather have a no deal Brexit than a Corbyn government. I've always been a Labour supporter, but I won't vote for a Marxist government.
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Since when have had a Marxist Government in this country ? You've been reading what the Press Barons want you to read & reacting the way they want you to. If Brexit was so popular then there would no difficulty getting it through Parliament or having another election to make sure whether no deal or Brexit itself is what the country really wants. Then remainers like myself could have no argument.
 
In the vote of confidence in 2016 172 of 212 Labour MPs couldn't support Corbyn, so why should the electorate. We also voted to Leave and 80% of the MPs voted into Parliament were voted in on a mandate to honour this.

The problem is the working classes see house prices rocketing and wages not keeping up with inflation. 498 MPs voted to implement article 50. Even Corbyn is saying he would leave, but of course he wants a Labour leave. Not that anyone knows what Labour wants either !
 
Lienking said:
In the vote of confidence in 2016 172 of 212 Labour MPs couldn't support Corbyn, so why should the electorate. We also voted to Leave and 80% of the MPs voted into Parliament were voted in on a mandate to honour this.

The problem is the working classes see house prices rocketing and wages not keeping up with inflation. 498 MPs voted to implement article 50. Even Corbyn is saying he would leave, but of course he wants a Labour leave. Not that anyone knows what Labour wants either !
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Any why are house prices rocketing ? Thatcher sold all our social housing which was provided by the nearest thing to a Socialist Government we have had at the end of World War ll, Nowadays property is regarded by the rich as investment opportunity & becomes an item in their property portfolios. Do you really want that ? It doesn't help when you label a Social Democratic Party as Marxist. These accusations existed before Corbyn. No doubt you will have read in your tabloid about Red Ed Milliband.
 
Lienking said:
In the vote of confidence in 2016 172 of 212 Labour MPs couldn't support Corbyn, so why should the electorate. We also voted to Leave and 80% of the MPs voted into Parliament were voted in on a mandate to honour this.

The problem is the working classes see house prices rocketing and wages not keeping up with inflation. 498 MPs voted to implement article 50. Even Corbyn is saying he would leave, but of course he wants a Labour leave. Not that anyone knows what Labour wants either !
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So they blamed the EU and thus condemned this country to decades of mire.

Please remember this the next time you harp on about wages and the rate at which it's "growing"
 
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