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North Shropshire by election

chris who said:
The Tory vote nationally is not and has never been anywhere near 50% even if you include the UKIP Reform vote.I have always said if Labour and the Liberal Democrats can work a bit closer together there is a real chance .Voters of Labour have shown they are not willing to sit back and allow a extreme Tory party dominate for the long term.This result needs to be looked at by all parties.
My message to all non Tory voters is
TOGETHER WE CAN WIN.
The voters of North Shropshire have sent a clear message the majority do not support this Tory government.This includes very many Tories.
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Don't forget the politically homeless...
...e.g. those voters complaining that they no longer have a 'conservative' Party worth voting for.
( and not for the first time.)
 
GillsBluenose said:
What I will never understand is why all Kent seems to vote Tory.
I can understand it in places like Tunbridge Wells and Sevenoaks, of course.

However, it may sound snobby to say so, but you look at a constituency like Gillingham, for instance, and although there are "well to do" areas like Hempstead and parts of Rainham, the housing stock elsewhere looks very minimum wage, and there are definitely areas of degradation.

There are also a lot of students from Medway Colleges that have the highest social consciences.

I know it is a bit simplistic but the reason I could never vote Tory is that they embody the "greed is good" ethic, and are largely responsible for the ever increasing gap between the haves and have nots. They claim to represent opportunities for everyone, but in reality they back selective schools and heavily favour those that have already had a leg up on the ladder in society, whether they acknowledge it or not.

At the last electon, Labour were only proposing modest tax increases to help create a fairer and kinder society and improve public services, but that was roundly rejected and even the Medway towns returned large Tory majorities.

I know Paul Clark was once elected (after his Gills career, of course;)) but otherwise it seems that some of the medway public are like Turkeys voting for Christmas.
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If you can't understand why most of Kent vote Conservative, may I suggest that might result from mis-characterisation by broadcasters of Party positions and generalisations / assumptions that voter attitudes match those in the metro-media bubble.

For example ...selective schools...
Most Conservatives support MORE selective schools, thus spreading their benefits as widely as possible.
AND 'selection' not narrowly on academic ability - but also on practical ability.

Does anyone remember Chatham Tech ?
Unfortunately, not enough Techs were created in the '60s and '70s.

But when does the media ever present 'selection' as anything other than a binary or 'divisive' choice, limited to those living near one of the 164 remaining Grammars.....
.....or noting that those Grammars are clustered in places like Kent - with able students in other areas denied the opportunity of an education in line with their ability.
 
Tarian said:
Don't forget the politically homeless...
...e.g. those voters complaining that they no longer have a 'conservative' Party worth voting for.
( and not for the first time.)
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There are of course many who are politically homeless. The Rory Stewart's of this world especially in farming communities.Tories who never wished to leave the EU.Many might have given Boris the benefit of their doubt. But the Tories flying in a outsider from Birmingham might have also been something of a own goal.
 
Buddha said:
I got quite a few issues with him, MM. Can't really be bothered to list them here, now (and only really replying out of respect for you, I'm no longer an active member of the board, don't you know?!).

But will remind you that I'm an anarchist who has some sympathy with socialism. From that you'll probably be able to work out at least a few of my issues with Starmer.

You're probably right about some Labour supporters voting tactically to get the Tories out but I don't think that's the whole story. I reckon that a proper socialist Labour Party would have been borrowing Liberal votes to oust the Tories yesterday. Who knows? Let's just enjoy the moment. They've been few a d far between recently.

Anyway, I'm outta here.

Up the Gills!
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You're an Anarchist ? Really ? Actively working for the downfall of the state or just writing on a football forum website ? Planning the next great subversive demo or trying to be a cool dude ? I bet you have the Guido Fawkes mask though.
 
Tarian said:
If you can't understand why most of Kent vote Conservative, may I suggest that might result from mis-characterisation by broadcasters of Party positions and generalisations / assumptions that voter attitudes match those in the metro-media bubble.

For example ...selective schools...
Most Conservatives support MORE selective schools, thus spreading their benefits as widely as possible.
AND 'selection' not narrowly on academic ability - but also on practical ability.

Does anyone remember Chatham Tech ?
Unfortunately, not enough Techs were created in the '60s and '70s.

But when does the media ever present 'selection' as anything other than a binary or 'divisive' choice, limited to those living near one of the 164 remaining Grammars.....
.....or noting that those Grammars are clustered in places like Kent - with able students in other areas denied the opportunity of an education in line with their ability.
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I was at chatham tech, you have forgotten gillingham tech ( previously rochester tech).
 
Tarian said:
No one assumes "all" that 18,500 drop were former Tories....
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That's literally what you said originally? In fact more than 18,500: "Cons to Not Voting -19,800". Unless I'm missing something.

Though it's all made up numbers so really doesn't matter anyway.
 
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