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Musings for 2021.

ayamonte

Vital Squad Member
#61
There is a lot of denial from one side, and a lot of conspiracy theories on the other, but I'm sticking to the stuff that smells wrong, looks wrong, and is wrong.

US elections really hang on six states, the swing states. Most of the other states always vote Republican or Democrat, but the six are the real battleground. On election night, Wisconcin, Michighan, Georgia and Pennsylvania were counting solidly for Trump (they have the current vote totals on screen), when wierd things start to happen. Votes started to disappear from his counts, 5000 here, 10000 there. Then at 1.30 the northern states called a halt to the counts, because they were tired. This never happens, ever. The observers are cleared out and the count is due to restart at 6am. Except at 4am 98,000 ballots are processed in Wisconcin and 120,000 in Michighan, ALL for Biden, enough to give him a lead. There is at least one CCTV of boxes of Biden votes being wheeled in to be counted, and over 4000 sworn affadavits of election officals who say that count manipulation took place.

In Georgia, the Republican election observers were denied access to the buildings. Election officials even went to the point of sticking cardboard over the windows so no-one could see what they were doing. In itself this invalidates the election count. After being taken to court (one of the court cases, which were mostly about procedures not being followed) the Judge, a Democrat, allowed Republican observers to get no closer than 10 feet. They went back to observe and again were denied access.

Mail in votes were in places six times as high as they had been in 2016. You might think with Covid this is reasonable, but there were over 100,000 votes cast by dead people, there were over 250,000 votes cast by people who no longer live in the States they were voting in. There was one case of 2000 votes being received from a single address. About 40 counties had more votes than registered voters. There are many case of citizens going to vote, only to find out that a postal vote had been cast for Biden without them knowing, or checking their vote on line and finding their vote had been switched to Biden.

A lot of votes are counted using equipment from Dominion. It has been shown conclusively that the software in these machines can be manipulated to produce results that favour one side or the other. You can scan 10 Biden and 10 Trump votes and it counts 12 to Biden and 8 to Trump. They are also connected to the internet and their results can be 'played with'. This is not hand counting. These machines are used in all the Democratic swing states. The machines themselves have been used in contested elections in the Phillipines and Venuzuela, producing dodgy results. Sadiq Khan has spent £9m on them for the next London Mayoral Election. Look up the chain of who owns the company that owns the company that owns Dominion, and it is the Chinese government.

So, I would have thought that any journalist worth his salt would want to look into at least one of these aspects, but no. Its all unfounded, fact checked, and unproven. Its all just brushed off without a word. This coming from the same people who tried for three years to impeach Trump on 'Russian interference' in 2016, (which didn't exist because there was none). Nope, nothing to see here, everything is fine. Well it doesn't look fine to me.

If the results are correct and fair, Biden got 7m more votes than Obama. Really? Biden lost 19 of the 20 Bellweather counties (always vote with the President ), he won less than a quarter of the counties overall. These are statistical imposibilities, unless there has been interference. Something stinks bad, but no-one is checking their shoes for shit. Stalin once said, the people who count the votes control the election.

Now they are trying to silence Trump and anything that doesn't follow the crazy left wing doctrine. Parler has been taken down, Twitter and Facebook has been interferring with the election, controlling what you see and dont see. Twitter 'donated' $300m, into the swing states for Dominion machines. None of this looks or smells right. No-one seems to care, but if they can do this now, they can do it for ever. Dump votes in, manipulate totals so they always win. The media do nothing but clap like seals. This is really bad. Make no bones about it, Biden (until he's mysteriously found dead from natural causes in six months.) will be leading a socialist government which as you can already see is restricting freedom and free speech, and will be in China's pocket. It sounds fantasy, but you aint seen nothing yet...
Jesus - thanks FKB for your summary. I kept thinking if it was the Kremlin that the people had stormed the media would love it......it all depends on which side they sit
 

SoloBLUTSinger

Vital Youth Team
#62
Could not read your entire thread, I lived just outside of DC for 8 years, I have a lot of friends still there, some involved in politics. The election was stolen you say, everyone's right to an opinion. But thats all it is an opinion.

Trump supporters come from two classes, red neck low income America and believe me having lived there the gene pool is shallow in the reneck mid west. And the very wealthy, he cut their taxes and looked after them, the swamp did not get drained.

Trump proclaims himself a mans man yet shit his pants and dodged the draft to Vietnam several times. He is for the people yet has 6 or 7 bankruptcies to his name cheating working people out of money. Wont pay his taxes, putting greater burden on the rest of the tax paying country. Brags about his ability to grab women by the pussy. What a lad. and the **** cheat's at golf.

He is also an egotistical megalomaniac spoiled little twat who has never heard the word no. He has fucked up with rolling out the vaccine in a timely fashion instead playing golf and whining like a little girl about a lost election.

I now live in Canada and am on the doorstep, I have friends in the states giving me first hand info, not the shit you see on TV or read in any one of the far left or right news columns.

Believe what you like, seems a few on here do, maybe we should stick to football.
At the end of the day , if you make an allegation you present your evidence in court to be heard . If you keep going to the expense & time of initiating proceedings , but fail to provide sufficient evidence even for the case to be heard ( ! ) let alone find in your favour , then there is nothing substantive there and it is all hot air . If you fail to even get a case heard due to lack of evidence on 63 out of 64 occasions , I would suggest you are at best a contemptuous braggart . If you still believe after a catalogue of legal humiliations , I suggest a lie down .

And @winnipegblade - do you have the underground shopping malls like they do in Toronto ? I hope you have some thermal britches sir .
 

tomytony

Vital 1st Team Regular
#63
At the end of the day , if you make an allegation you present your evidence in court to be heard . If you keep going to the expense & time of initiating proceedings , but fail to provide sufficient evidence even for the case to be heard ( ! ) let alone find in your favour , then there is nothing substantive there and it is all hot air . If you fail to even get a case heard due to lack of evidence on 63 out of 64 occasions , I would suggest you are at best a contemptuous braggart . If you still believe after a catalogue of legal humiliations , I suggest a lie down .

And @winnipegblade - do you have the underground shopping malls like they do in Toronto ? I hope you have some thermal britches sir .
I have no skin in this game but , IF the judiciary is also corrupt then you would find it difficult to win your case.
 

Chips1889

Vital 1st Team Regular
#66
At the end of the day , if you make an allegation you present your evidence in court to be heard . If you keep going to the expense & time of initiating proceedings , but fail to provide sufficient evidence even for the case to be heard ( ! ) let alone find in your favour , then there is nothing substantive there and it is all hot air . If you fail to even get a case heard due to lack of evidence on 63 out of 64 occasions , I would suggest you are at best a contemptuous braggart . If you still believe after a catalogue of legal humiliations , I suggest a lie down .

And @winnipegblade - do you have the underground shopping malls like they do in Toronto ? I hope you have some thermal britches sir .
USA has the best democracy money can buy.
 

FatherKnowsBest

Vital 1st Team Regular
#67
At the end of the day , if you make an allegation you present your evidence in court to be heard . If you keep going to the expense & time of initiating proceedings , but fail to provide sufficient evidence even for the case to be heard ( ! ) let alone find in your favour , then there is nothing substantive there and it is all hot air . If you fail to even get a case heard due to lack of evidence on 63 out of 64 occasions , I would suggest you are at best a contemptuous braggart . If you still believe after a catalogue of legal humiliations , I suggest a lie down .

And @winnipegblade - do you have the underground shopping malls like they do in Toronto ? I hope you have some thermal britches sir .
You're happy to believe that one tee shirt is the evidence that makes Trump and his supporters some kind of Nazis, or so you were intimating. Like I say, believe what you want. We'll see from here...
 

SoloBLUTSinger

Vital Youth Team
#68
You're happy to believe that one tee shirt is the evidence that makes Trump and his supporters some kind of Nazis, or so you were intimating. Like I say, believe what you want. We'll see from here...
My point is that he has emboldened people to west t- shirts like that , to reference Hitler in speeches , to wear Nazi regalia. Being of a particular community it frightens me as we ‘re not talking about some ponzi third world state , we ‘re talking about a western superpower . If people are willing to stand cheek by jowl at a rally with individuals like that , then that ‘s a step down the road no one wants to go down .

I believe that anyone can make allegations , but you have to ultimately back that up by evidence . If there is no evidence what is there to believe ? There ‘s nothing to it but hearsay and flannel . What worries me more is people are so seduced by the rhetoric , they will believe anything he says despite absolutely nothing to back it up apart from ludicrous conspiracy theories . Again that’s a step down a road we don ‘t want to go down .
 
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#69
My point is that he has emboldened people to west t- shirts like that , to reference Hitler in speeches , to wear Nazi regalia. Being of a particular community it frightens me as we ‘re not talking about some ponzi third world state , we ‘re talking about a western superpower . If people are willing to stand cheek by jowl at a rally with individuals like that , then that ‘s a step down the road no one wants to go down .

I believe that anyone can make allegations , but you have to ultimately back that up by evidence . If there is no evidence what is there to believe ? There ‘s nothing to it but hearsay and flannel . What worries me more is people are so seduced by the rhetoric , they will believe anything he says despite absolutely nothing to back it up apart from ludicrous conspiracy theories . Again that’s a step down a road we don ‘t want to go down .
I'd just like your views on this prominent lawyer for a left-wing broadcaster's views that Republican's children should be removed from their parents by the government and put in re-education camps?


This isn't someone larking around, wearing a ficken t-shirt. This is what high level Democrats are actually thinking, talking about amongst themselves and probably planning at the highest level.

"What's great is that Covid is spiking in a lot of red states now.... a lot of them (Trump supporters) are sick and dying."

Now, tell me again. Which side are the Nazis?
 

SoloBLUTSinger

Vital Youth Team
#70
I'd just like your views on this prominent lawyer for a left-wing broadcaster's views that Republican's children should be removed from their parents by the government and put in re-education camps?


This isn't someone larking around, wearing a ficken t-shirt. This is what high level Democrats are actually thinking, talking about amongst themselves and probably planning at the highest level.

"What's great is that Covid is spiking in a lot of red states now.... a lot of them (Trump supporters) are sick and dying."

Now, tell me again. Which side are the Nazis?
Clearly I condemn that , by my cursory google he was a lawyer for the general counsel team at the news station . He ‘s been sacked immediately . I ‘m not sure of his level of influence .

People are taking a political position like supporting a football team , which alas , seems the way of the world . One doesn ‘t have to defend the position dogmatically regardless of the evidence , or complete lack of it . I can vehemently disagree with Trump ‘s incendiary approach and his acolytes , but still fete Reagan as * the * leader of his generation .

Trump will be disposed of by the Republicans , as all his hot air and conspiracy theories have unravelled . His only legacy will be dividing a country , emboldened extremists and handing over the Representatives and the Senate to the Republicans . A tenure which for any yardstick you judge a politician by , is the worst in living memory .
 

Raumdeuter

Vital Squad Member
#72
Clearly I condemn that , by my cursory google he was a lawyer for the general counsel team at the news station . He ‘s been sacked immediately . I ‘m not sure of his level of influence .

People are taking a political position like supporting a football team , which alas , seems the way of the world . One doesn ‘t have to defend the position dogmatically regardless of the evidence , or complete lack of it . I can vehemently disagree with Trump ‘s incendiary approach and his acolytes , but still fete Reagan as * the * leader of his generation .

Trump will be disposed of by the Republicans , as all his hot air and conspiracy theories have unravelled . His only legacy will be dividing a country , emboldened extremists and handing over the Representatives and the Senate to the Republicans . A tenure which for any yardstick you judge a politician by , is the worst in living memory .
I don't think the GOP ever truly embraced Trump or his base. Trump was, and remains, a voice for millions of decent Americans disenfranchised by career politicians and a corrupt duopoly. To even suggest over 70 million people who voted for him are all Nazi rednecks or unscrupulous millionaires is nothing short of facile.

Policy specific what exactly has Trump and his administration done that you find so egregious ? Because I look at a foreign policy that's avoided war and got nations talking and an America First agenda that's seen a massive boost to the US economy.
 

SoloBLUTSinger

Vital Youth Team
#73
I don't think the GOP ever truly embraced Trump or his base. Trump was, and remains, a voice for millions of decent Americans disenfranchised by career politicians and a corrupt duopoly. To even suggest over 70 million people who voted for him are all Nazi rednecks or unscrupulous millionaires is nothing short of facile.

Policy specific what exactly has Trump and his administration done that you find so egregious ? Because I look at a foreign policy that's avoided war and got nations talking and an America First agenda that's seen a massive boost to the US economy.
He ‘s emboldened idiots , fueled conspiracy theories and created a space for groups of people to feel comfortable extolling hateful rhetoric . He has given a platform for these people . The culmination of this is a band of morons storming the Senate and leaving two policemen dead . Literal simpletons who undertook at act of sedition whilst wearing their work identification around their neck . Fuelled by nonsense and their own inadequacies .

The country is completely on fire , with the population far more divided and unhappy than it has ever been in generations . Policy ideas and implementation , well you can separate Democrat and Republican policies with a fag paper . Such is US political discourse . It ‘s almost academic . The economy was already tracking in a positive direction , Trump just rode the waves . He ‘s fiddled around the edges and his legacy is losing any semblance of GOP power for at least two terms . And left America ‘s reputation as a global leader in the slop bucket .

I can’t forgive him his abject denigration of the values of such a fine country , his behaviour in a position of such authority . He will get impeached and I suspect despite pardoning himself , his legion of legal cases will finally catch up with him . And we know how well he manages legal matters . At least then we can move back to adult politics , with credibility and intellect .
 

SoloBLUTSinger

Vital Youth Team
#74
I have no skin in this game but , IF the judiciary is also corrupt then you would find it difficult to win your case.
In America you have to convince the judge you have sufficient “ standing “ for a case to be heard . There ‘s a multitude of tests , but principally it boils down to evidence . He’s failed to demonstrate a case in courts across the land , even to Republican judges who are Trump supporters . There is no evidence .
 

Raumdeuter

Vital Squad Member
#75
He ‘s emboldened idiots , fueled conspiracy theories and created a space for groups of people to feel comfortable extolling hateful rhetoric . He has given a platform for these people . The culmination of this is a band of morons storming the Senate and leaving two policemen dead . Literal simpletons who undertook at act of sedition whilst wearing their work identification around their neck . Fuelled by nonsense and their own inadequacies .

The country is completely on fire , with the population far more divided and unhappy than it has ever been in generations . Policy ideas and implementation , well you can separate Democrat and Republican policies with a fag paper . Such is US political discourse . It ‘s almost academic . The economy was already tracking in a positive direction , Trump just rode the waves . He ‘s fiddled around the edges and his legacy is losing any semblance of GOP power for at least two terms . And left America ‘s reputation as a global leader in the slop bucket .

I can’t forgive him his abject denigration of the values of such a fine country , his behaviour in a position of such authority . He will get impeached and I suspect despite pardoning himself , his legion of legal cases will finally catch up with him . And we know how well he manages legal matters . At least then we can move back to adult politics , with credibility and intellect .

The US's societal issues and divisions existed long before Trump. He's the effect not the cause, and yes his rhetoric has been harsh, but it's been equally harsh from the authoritarian violent left.

I'll ask again. Policy specific what has Trump done that backs up your rant against him ?

Did he reintroduce the Jim Crow laws or roll back Rowe v Wade as the left wing propagandists said he would ?
 

SoloBLUTSinger

Vital Youth Team
#76
The US's societal issues and divisions existed long before Trump. He's the effect not the cause, and yes his rhetoric has been harsh, but it's been equally harsh from the authoritarian violent left.

I'll ask again. Policy specific what has Trump done that backs up your rant against him ?

Did he reintroduce the Jim Crow laws or roll back Rowe v Wade as the left wing propagandists said he would ?
And I ‘ll reiterate the policy positions between Democrat and Republican are relatively de minimis. And his policy “ successes “ have been minimal . His tax reforms were ambitious but didn ‘t deliver . His Covid performance has been rank . He ‘s tried recidivism in prison , too early to judge . His rhetoric , attitude and conduct is not befitting of his position . The way he has conducted himself has created huge divisions in the USA . We have had his supporters storming The Senate . He ‘s lost power for the GOP in both Houses . His political performance has been rank in every method of assessment . And you are asking me to make an judgement of the nuances of his policies .

I ‘ll ask you . What policy “ successes “ outweigh the following : -

Losing control of both Houses in 4 years
His supporters storming and occupying The Senate leading to the death of two policemen
Repeatedly, publicly stating there is evidence of voter fraud yet failing 63 times to substantiate his claims .
Virtually destroying America’s global reputation in the last 3 months
Arguably the planet ‘s worst Covid performance .
 

Raumdeuter

Vital Squad Member
#77
Losing control of both Houses in 4 years
His supporters storming and occupying The Senate leading to the death of two policemen
Repeatedly, publicly stating there is evidence of voter fraud yet failing 63 times to substantiate his claims .
Virtually destroying America’s global reputation in the last 3 months
Arguably the planet ‘s worst Covid performance .
The Senate and the HoR flip all the time. The Trump ticket won Congress in 2016.

The spirit of 1776. Their protests were valid, the deaths deeply unfortunate.

Give Project Veritas a Google, although no doubt you'll call them Nazis.

Destroying global reputation ? You mean the BBC, Huffington Post, Guardian slagged Trump off for four years ? The President before him killed thousands with drone strikes and threw guns at the Arab Spring, the President before that with help from his pal Tony entered an illegal war. India, Israel and Poland love Trump to name but three.

The US has devolved State powers for dealing with the ChiCom virus, any failure is collective. Trump shutting the border coupled with his ventilator program saved lives.


Right, third and final time. List specific Trump policies that back up your rantings ?
 
#78
I don't think the GOP ever truly embraced Trump or his base. Trump was, and remains, a voice for millions of decent Americans disenfranchised by career politicians and a corrupt duopoly. To even suggest over 70 million people who voted for him are all Nazi rednecks or unscrupulous millionaires is nothing short of facile.

Policy specific what exactly has Trump and his administration done that you find so egregious ? Because I look at a foreign policy that's avoided war and got nations talking and an America First agenda that's seen a massive boost to the US economy.

I lived there 8 years and your experience is ? He avoided war with Iran because his senior military advisors vetoed him. What makes you think the US economy received a massive boost, because Trump says so in his briefings, would you also drink bleach, he said it killed covid. Mexico still has not paid for the wall and all Mexicans are not rapists regardless of what the fuhrer said.

He will shortly be impeached again, his own senators and leading republicans are disowning him now and calling for his head. But I guess the only ones not corrupt are Trump, his offspring that he placed in positions of power despite none of them having any political experience and his inner circle. Even fox news who supported him for years have thrown in the towel.

I live this side of the pond still, I get that English people of a certain generation love the orange humpty dunpty but you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
#79
The Senate and the HoR flip all the time. The Trump ticket won Congress in 2016.

The spirit of 1776. Their protests were valid, the deaths deeply unfortunate.

Give Project Veritas a Google, although no doubt you'll call them Nazis.

Destroying global reputation ? You mean the BBC, Huffington Post, Guardian slagged Trump off for four years ? The President before him killed thousands with drone strikes and threw guns at the Arab Spring, the President before that with help from his pal Tony entered an illegal war. India, Israel and Poland love Trump to name but three.

The US has devolved State powers for dealing with the ChiCom virus, any failure is collective. Trump shutting the border coupled with his ventilator program saved lives.


Right, third and final time. List specific Trump policies that back up your rantings ?

I will take you up on one more point and then I am done with this. He closed borders later than advised although he claims credit for it. Has for ventilators and PPE maybe you should ask medical staff in the states about that, but in your eyes no doubt they will be corrupt too. Have you seen the figures coming out of the states with deaths and new infections while president fuckwit plays golf. The term Nero fiddles comes to mind.

Fuck me you are naive and where you get your info from.