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#41
Steady lads, this is a football forum. The joys of proving somebody else wrong, for whatever gain or reason, seems to be inherent in our species. Been married long enough to realise this and it's pantomime season I suppose.
Maybe JC was correct, "they know not what they do".......or perhaps we do, and enjoy it?

Back to the game today, wouldn't a win be fantastic, especially away from home in the cup. It could be our year!
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE WIZARDS>>>>>
 

SoloBLUTSinger

Vital Youth Team
#42
You said that you saw someone present with a swastika symbol and that a Trump supporter said that 'Hitler did nothing wrong.' I thought the link would show me but it doesn't. It's from NBC for a start. Now there's your guarantee of impartiality - not!

It doesn't show anyone at the Trump rally with a swastika symbol nor does it show that a Trump supporter - I presume you mean Mary Miller, judging by the article's copy - said that 'Hitler did nothing wrong'. Are you imagining these things or are you just lying to suit your own particular agenda? Or what?
I am not imagining these things , but seeing people have a platform spouting this rhetoric is of great sensitivity to many . Seeing people defend or brush it off , call it fake , encourage denial is something I haven ‘t seen for many a year . That saddens and shocks me greatly . If Donald Trump has emboldened people to wear a Camp Auschwitz t - shirt in public , that makes me sick to my stomach .


Here is the “ politician “ apologising for it :-

https://fox2now.com/news/politics/i...ler-apologizes-for-hitler-quote-in-dc-speech/

Will you condemn her for it ?
 

FatherKnowsBest

Vital 1st Team Regular
#44
I am not imagining these things , but seeing people have a platform spouting this rhetoric is of great sensitivity to many . Seeing people defend or brush it off , call it fake , encourage denial is something I haven ‘t seen for many a year . That saddens and shocks me greatly . If Donald Trump has emboldened people to wear a Camp Auschwitz t - shirt in public , that makes me sick to my stomach .


Here is the “ politician “ apologising for it :-

https://fox2now.com/news/politics/i...ler-apologizes-for-hitler-quote-in-dc-speech/

Will you condemn her for it ?

You're looking in the wrong place SBS. The US elections have been stolen to all our detriment, and you're fussing about a teeshirt, and one holocaust denier, neither of which have anything to do with Donald Trump and the defence of Western democracies.
 

SoloBLUTSinger

Vital Youth Team
#45
You're looking in the wrong place SBS. The US elections have been stolen to all our detriment, and you're fussing about a teeshirt, and one holocaust denier, neither of which have anything to do with Donald Trump and the defence of Western democracies.
I ‘m fussing about a mainstream politician speaking to a rally of thousands outside the steps of Capital Hill in 2021 and giving a tacit endorsement of Hitler ? I ‘m fussing about seeing militia in amongst them and someone in an Camp Auschwitz t -shirt ? This strikes fear in many communities , including mine , and should be condemned , no ifs and no buts .
 

FatherKnowsBest

Vital 1st Team Regular
#46
Are you struck with fear because the Democratic party have stolen the election?
Are you struck with fear because Twitter have purged a sitting President from its platform?
Are you struck with fear because they are openly talking about 'de-radicalising' Trump supporters.
Are you struck with fear that if you say what you think, they can delete you or jail you?
Are you struck with fear because you are being told what to think?
Are you struck with fear because they can send you for 're-education'?
Are you struck with fear that every opinion that isn't Far Left is now called Far Right?
Are you struck with fear that the Police ignore 'largely peaceful' left wing riots, but tackle protesting grannies with riot shields and batons.
Are you struck with fear because every level of government has been infiltrated by the Chinese Communist Party, bought and paid for.
Are you struck with fear at the possibility that the Wuhan virus didn't happen accidentally, and that they have fridges of similar viruses.
Are you struck with fear that the mainstream media is prepared to just commentate and express its opinions as facts?

As for Capitol Hill. There we no militia there. Check out the youtube videos before they delete them too. Policemen opening barriers and waving people through, Security guards showing protesters which way to go to get to the main chamber. Its all there...

The 'Trump is a white supremacist' line has been rammed down our throats, just like all 'Brexit leavers are stupid racists', but facts don't bear this out. He is a patriot, supported by 76m ordinary American people. We're are living in times where the dangerous ideology of the left and the rights and freedoms of citizens are very much at odds. This is a very dangerous time for democracy. We saw the Brexit vote nearly be stolen from us, but at least they didn't manipulate the votes, or find 100,000 dead people to mail in their ballots. Now they have done it, and no-one has asked a single question, then the USA is a one party state. The bastion of world democracy has been overthrown in an election that would shame Zimbabwe.

I think theres a lot more to be afraid of than a random tee-shirt.
 

SoloBLUTSinger

Vital Youth Team
#48
Are you struck with fear because the Democratic party have stolen the election?
Are you struck with fear because Twitter have purged a sitting President from its platform?
Are you struck with fear because they are openly talking about 'de-radicalising' Trump supporters.
Are you struck with fear that if you say what you think, they can delete you or jail you?
Are you struck with fear because you are being told what to think?
Are you struck with fear because they can send you for 're-education'?
Are you struck with fear that every opinion that isn't Far Left is now called Far Right?
Are you struck with fear that the Police ignore 'largely peaceful' left wing riots, but tackle protesting grannies with riot shields and batons.
Are you struck with fear because every level of government has been infiltrated by the Chinese Communist Party, bought and paid for.
Are you struck with fear at the possibility that the Wuhan virus didn't happen accidentally, and that they have fridges of similar viruses.
Are you struck with fear that the mainstream media is prepared to just commentate and express its opinions as facts?

As for Capitol Hill. There we no militia there. Check out the youtube videos before they delete them too. Policemen opening barriers and waving people through, Security guards showing protesters which way to go to get to the main chamber. Its all there...

The 'Trump is a white supremacist' line has been rammed down our throats, just like all 'Brexit leavers are stupid racists', but facts don't bear this out. He is a patriot, supported by 76m ordinary American people. We're are living in times where the dangerous ideology of the left and the rights and freedoms of citizens are very much at odds. This is a very dangerous time for democracy. We saw the Brexit vote nearly be stolen from us, but at least they didn't manipulate the votes, or find 100,000 dead people to mail in their ballots. Now they have done it, and no-one has asked a single question, then the USA is a one party state. The bastion of world democracy has been overthrown in an election that would shame Zimbabwe.

I think theres a lot more to be afraid of than a random tee-shirt.
Show me the evidence of the steal kind sir , because as I understand , it has been kicked out of every court in the length of the land due to land of evidence .
 

FatherKnowsBest

Vital 1st Team Regular
#49
There is a lot of denial from one side, and a lot of conspiracy theories on the other, but I'm sticking to the stuff that smells wrong, looks wrong, and is wrong.

US elections really hang on six states, the swing states. Most of the other states always vote Republican or Democrat, but the six are the real battleground. On election night, Wisconcin, Michighan, Georgia and Pennsylvania were counting solidly for Trump (they have the current vote totals on screen), when wierd things start to happen. Votes started to disappear from his counts, 5000 here, 10000 there. Then at 1.30 the northern states called a halt to the counts, because they were tired. This never happens, ever. The observers are cleared out and the count is due to restart at 6am. Except at 4am 98,000 ballots are processed in Wisconcin and 120,000 in Michighan, ALL for Biden, enough to give him a lead. There is at least one CCTV of boxes of Biden votes being wheeled in to be counted, and over 4000 sworn affadavits of election officals who say that count manipulation took place.

In Georgia, the Republican election observers were denied access to the buildings. Election officials even went to the point of sticking cardboard over the windows so no-one could see what they were doing. In itself this invalidates the election count. After being taken to court (one of the court cases, which were mostly about procedures not being followed) the Judge, a Democrat, allowed Republican observers to get no closer than 10 feet. They went back to observe and again were denied access.

Mail in votes were in places six times as high as they had been in 2016. You might think with Covid this is reasonable, but there were over 100,000 votes cast by dead people, there were over 250,000 votes cast by people who no longer live in the States they were voting in. There was one case of 2000 votes being received from a single address. About 40 counties had more votes than registered voters. There are many case of citizens going to vote, only to find out that a postal vote had been cast for Biden without them knowing, or checking their vote on line and finding their vote had been switched to Biden.

A lot of votes are counted using equipment from Dominion. It has been shown conclusively that the software in these machines can be manipulated to produce results that favour one side or the other. You can scan 10 Biden and 10 Trump votes and it counts 12 to Biden and 8 to Trump. They are also connected to the internet and their results can be 'played with'. This is not hand counting. These machines are used in all the Democratic swing states. The machines themselves have been used in contested elections in the Phillipines and Venuzuela, producing dodgy results. Sadiq Khan has spent £9m on them for the next London Mayoral Election. Look up the chain of who owns the company that owns the company that owns Dominion, and it is the Chinese government.

So, I would have thought that any journalist worth his salt would want to look into at least one of these aspects, but no. Its all unfounded, fact checked, and unproven. Its all just brushed off without a word. This coming from the same people who tried for three years to impeach Trump on 'Russian interference' in 2016, (which didn't exist because there was none). Nope, nothing to see here, everything is fine. Well it doesn't look fine to me.

If the results are correct and fair, Biden got 7m more votes than Obama. Really? Biden lost 19 of the 20 Bellweather counties (always vote with the President ), he won less than a quarter of the counties overall. These are statistical imposibilities, unless there has been interference. Something stinks bad, but no-one is checking their shoes for shit. Stalin once said, the people who count the votes control the election.

Now they are trying to silence Trump and anything that doesn't follow the crazy left wing doctrine. Parler has been taken down, Twitter and Facebook has been interferring with the election, controlling what you see and dont see. Twitter 'donated' $300m, into the swing states for Dominion machines. None of this looks or smells right. No-one seems to care, but if they can do this now, they can do it for ever. Dump votes in, manipulate totals so they always win. The media do nothing but clap like seals. This is really bad. Make no bones about it, Biden (until he's mysteriously found dead from natural causes in six months.) will be leading a socialist government which as you can already see is restricting freedom and free speech, and will be in China's pocket. It sounds fantasy, but you aint seen nothing yet...
 
#52
I am not imagining these things , but seeing people have a platform spouting this rhetoric is of great sensitivity to many . Seeing people defend or brush it off , call it fake , encourage denial is something I haven ‘t seen for many a year . That saddens and shocks me greatly . If Donald Trump has emboldened people to wear a Camp Auschwitz t - shirt in public , that makes me sick to my stomach .


Here is the “ politician “ apologising for it :-

https://fox2now.com/news/politics/i...ler-apologizes-for-hitler-quote-in-dc-speech/

Will you condemn her for it ?
No she never endorsed the Nazi party at all. Calm down Kevin. She said that Hitler was right about one thing when he said 'He who has the youth, has the future'. And that is perfectly correct, whether you apply that to politics or to football. It's also said that Hitler liked a cheese sandwich and dogs. Well fuck me, hands up, I must be one of the biggest Nazis around then cos I love cheese and have two dogs. Me and several hundred million people worldwide I don't doubt. We're all Nazis, aren't we?
 

tomytony

Vital 1st Team Regular
#53
No she never endorsed the Nazi party at all. Calm down Kevin. She said that Hitler was right about one thing when he said 'He who has the youth, has the future'. And that is perfectly correct, whether you apply that to politics or to football. It's also said that Hitler liked a cheese sandwich and dogs. Well fuck me, hands up, I must be one of the biggest Nazis around then cos I love cheese and have two dogs. Me and several hundred million people worldwide I don't doubt. We're all Nazis, aren't we?
Not sure if it helps but I don't like dogs but love cheese.:oops:
 

SoloBLUTSinger

Vital Youth Team
#54
There is a lot of denial from one side, and a lot of conspiracy theories on the other, but I'm sticking to the stuff that smells wrong, looks wrong, and is wrong.

US elections really hang on six states, the swing states. Most of the other states always vote Republican or Democrat, but the six are the real battleground. On election night, Wisconcin, Michighan, Georgia and Pennsylvania were counting solidly for Trump (they have the current vote totals on screen), when wierd things start to happen. Votes started to disappear from his counts, 5000 here, 10000 there. Then at 1.30 the northern states called a halt to the counts, because they were tired. This never happens, ever. The observers are cleared out and the count is due to restart at 6am. Except at 4am 98,000 ballots are processed in Wisconcin and 120,000 in Michighan, ALL for Biden, enough to give him a lead. There is at least one CCTV of boxes of Biden votes being wheeled in to be counted, and over 4000 sworn affadavits of election officals who say that count manipulation took place.

In Georgia, the Republican election observers were denied access to the buildings. Election officials even went to the point of sticking cardboard over the windows so no-one could see what they were doing. In itself this invalidates the election count. After being taken to court (one of the court cases, which were mostly about procedures not being followed) the Judge, a Democrat, allowed Republican observers to get no closer than 10 feet. They went back to observe and again were denied access.

Mail in votes were in places six times as high as they had been in 2016. You might think with Covid this is reasonable, but there were over 100,000 votes cast by dead people, there were over 250,000 votes cast by people who no longer live in the States they were voting in. There was one case of 2000 votes being received from a single address. About 40 counties had more votes than registered voters. There are many case of citizens going to vote, only to find out that a postal vote had been cast for Biden without them knowing, or checking their vote on line and finding their vote had been switched to Biden.

A lot of votes are counted using equipment from Dominion. It has been shown conclusively that the software in these machines can be manipulated to produce results that favour one side or the other. You can scan 10 Biden and 10 Trump votes and it counts 12 to Biden and 8 to Trump. They are also connected to the internet and their results can be 'played with'. This is not hand counting. These machines are used in all the Democratic swing states. The machines themselves have been used in contested elections in the Phillipines and Venuzuela, producing dodgy results. Sadiq Khan has spent £9m on them for the next London Mayoral Election. Look up the chain of who owns the company that owns the company that owns Dominion, and it is the Chinese government.

So, I would have thought that any journalist worth his salt would want to look into at least one of these aspects, but no. Its all unfounded, fact checked, and unproven. Its all just brushed off without a word. This coming from the same people who tried for three years to impeach Trump on 'Russian interference' in 2016, (which didn't exist because there was none). Nope, nothing to see here, everything is fine. Well it doesn't look fine to me.

If the results are correct and fair, Biden got 7m more votes than Obama. Really? Biden lost 19 of the 20 Bellweather counties (always vote with the President ), he won less than a quarter of the counties overall. These are statistical imposibilities, unless there has been interference. Something stinks bad, but no-one is checking their shoes for shit. Stalin once said, the people who count the votes control the election.

Now they are trying to silence Trump and anything that doesn't follow the crazy left wing doctrine. Parler has been taken down, Twitter and Facebook has been interferring with the election, controlling what you see and dont see. Twitter 'donated' $300m, into the swing states for Dominion machines. None of this looks or smells right. No-one seems to care, but if they can do this now, they can do it for ever. Dump votes in, manipulate totals so they always win. The media do nothing but clap like seals. This is really bad. Make no bones about it, Biden (until he's mysteriously found dead from natural causes in six months.) will be leading a socialist government which as you can already see is restricting freedom and free speech, and will be in China's pocket. It sounds fantasy, but you aint seen nothing yet...
Unfortunately “ what doesn’ t smell right “ doesn ‘t hold up in a court of law . Name me one , just one allegation of inpropriety from the Trump camp , which has been proven in a court of law . Just one will do .
 

tomytony

Vital 1st Team Regular
#55
Blair and Starmer are being spoonfed stuff from left wing SAGE members, trying to make the Govt look bad.
Did you see Sir David King, on the BBC, given ages before yesterday's briefing to tell us how we should have vaccinated so many more by now, all just how bad the gov't is doing and how he would have sorted it by now?

https://order-order.com/people/david-king/

Sir David King 'head' of the alternative Sage group - a totally unbised organisation !

Chair: Sir David King

  • Disastrously advised Blair and Brown to promote diesel cars
  • Lost his job as the Government’s Special Representative for Climate Change under Boris as Foreign secretary. Subsequently emerged as a leading critic of Boris
  • Promoted the conspiracy theory that Boris and Brexit are ‘alt right’
  • Complained that the Conservative Government didn’t put him on the media enough with regards to climate change, telling the Guardian “It was absurd. Here was Britain doing more than almost the rest of the world put together on this issue and I’m kept off the public airwaves”
  • Pushed for a second EU referendum
 

winnipegblade

Vital Reserves Team
#58
There is a lot of denial from one side, and a lot of conspiracy theories on the other, but I'm sticking to the stuff that smells wrong, looks wrong, and is wrong.

US elections really hang on six states, the swing states. Most of the other states always vote Republican or Democrat, but the six are the real battleground. On election night, Wisconcin, Michighan, Georgia and Pennsylvania were counting solidly for Trump (they have the current vote totals on screen), when wierd things start to happen. Votes started to disappear from his counts, 5000 here, 10000 there. Then at 1.30 the northern states called a halt to the counts, because they were tired. This never happens, ever. The observers are cleared out and the count is due to restart at 6am. Except at 4am 98,000 ballots are processed in Wisconcin and 120,000 in Michighan, ALL for Biden, enough to give him a lead. There is at least one CCTV of boxes of Biden votes being wheeled in to be counted, and over 4000 sworn affadavits of election officals who say that count manipulation took place.

In Georgia, the Republican election observers were denied access to the buildings. Election officials even went to the point of sticking cardboard over the windows so no-one could see what they were doing. In itself this invalidates the election count. After being taken to court (one of the court cases, which were mostly about procedures not being followed) the Judge, a Democrat, allowed Republican observers to get no closer than 10 feet. They went back to observe and again were denied access.

Mail in votes were in places six times as high as they had been in 2016. You might think with Covid this is reasonable, but there were over 100,000 votes cast by dead people, there were over 250,000 votes cast by people who no longer live in the States they were voting in. There was one case of 2000 votes being received from a single address. About 40 counties had more votes than registered voters. There are many case of citizens going to vote, only to find out that a postal vote had been cast for Biden without them knowing, or checking their vote on line and finding their vote had been switched to Biden.

A lot of votes are counted using equipment from Dominion. It has been shown conclusively that the software in these machines can be manipulated to produce results that favour one side or the other. You can scan 10 Biden and 10 Trump votes and it counts 12 to Biden and 8 to Trump. They are also connected to the internet and their results can be 'played with'. This is not hand counting. These machines are used in all the Democratic swing states. The machines themselves have been used in contested elections in the Phillipines and Venuzuela, producing dodgy results. Sadiq Khan has spent £9m on them for the next London Mayoral Election. Look up the chain of who owns the company that owns the company that owns Dominion, and it is the Chinese government.

So, I would have thought that any journalist worth his salt would want to look into at least one of these aspects, but no. Its all unfounded, fact checked, and unproven. Its all just brushed off without a word. This coming from the same people who tried for three years to impeach Trump on 'Russian interference' in 2016, (which didn't exist because there was none). Nope, nothing to see here, everything is fine. Well it doesn't look fine to me.

If the results are correct and fair, Biden got 7m more votes than Obama. Really? Biden lost 19 of the 20 Bellweather counties (always vote with the President ), he won less than a quarter of the counties overall. These are statistical imposibilities, unless there has been interference. Something stinks bad, but no-one is checking their shoes for shit. Stalin once said, the people who count the votes control the election.

Now they are trying to silence Trump and anything that doesn't follow the crazy left wing doctrine. Parler has been taken down, Twitter and Facebook has been interferring with the election, controlling what you see and dont see. Twitter 'donated' $300m, into the swing states for Dominion machines. None of this looks or smells right. No-one seems to care, but if they can do this now, they can do it for ever. Dump votes in, manipulate totals so they always win. The media do nothing but clap like seals. This is really bad. Make no bones about it, Biden (until he's mysteriously found dead from natural causes in six months.) will be leading a socialist government which as you can already see is restricting freedom and free speech, and will be in China's pocket. It sounds fantasy, but you aint seen nothing yet...


Could not read your entire thread, I lived just outside of DC for 8 years, I have a lot of friends still there, some involved in politics. The election was stolen you say, everyone's right to an opinion. But thats all it is an opinion.

Trump supporters come from two classes, red neck low income America and believe me having lived there the gene pool is shallow in the reneck mid west. And the very wealthy, he cut their taxes and looked after them, the swamp did not get drained.

Trump proclaims himself a mans man yet shit his pants and dodged the draft to Vietnam several times. He is for the people yet has 6 or 7 bankruptcies to his name cheating working people out of money. Wont pay his taxes, putting greater burden on the rest of the tax paying country. Brags about his ability to grab women by the pussy. What a lad. and the **** cheat's at golf.

He is also an egotistical megalomaniac spoiled little twat who has never heard the word no. He has fucked up with rolling out the vaccine in a timely fashion instead playing golf and whining like a little girl about a lost election.

I now live in Canada and am on the doorstep, I have friends in the states giving me first hand info, not the shit you see on TV or read in any one of the far left or right news columns.

Believe what you like, seems a few on here do, maybe we should stick to football.
 
#59
Could not read your entire thread, I lived just outside of DC for 8 years, I have a lot of friends still there, some involved in politics. The election was stolen you say, everyone's right to an opinion. But thats all it is an opinion.

Trump supporters come from two classes, red neck low income America and believe me having lived there the gene pool is shallow in the reneck mid west. And the very wealthy, he cut their taxes and looked after them, the swamp did not get drained.

Trump proclaims himself a mans man yet shit his pants and dodged the draft to Vietnam several times. He is for the people yet has 6 or 7 bankruptcies to his name cheating working people out of money. Wont pay his taxes, putting greater burden on the rest of the tax paying country. Brags about his ability to grab women by the pussy. What a lad. and the **** cheat's at golf.

He is also an egotistical megalomaniac spoiled little twat who has never heard the word no. He has fucked up with rolling out the vaccine in a timely fashion instead playing golf and whining like a little girl about a lost election.

I now live in Canada and am on the doorstep, I have friends in the states giving me first hand info, not the shit you see on TV or read in any one of the far left or right news columns.

Believe what you like, seems a few on here do, maybe we should stick to football.
Well, you say that but....