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MATCH THREAD v Newcastle 12-30 kick off 13/4 away

Watched MOTD....our crazy set up/tactic again. One/all of the top 3 are gonna give us a real hiding. I just don't see how Ange doesn't seem to know how to fix it. Next season is only going to be like these last dozen or so games. Everyone knows what to do against us. Even adding 1,2,3 more quality players isn't going to stop the gaping hole in the middle and our ability to gift chances to teams. Yes a quality forward might help....but angeball, as it stands, isn't going to win anything - it 'might' bring excitement and some great wins, but we will never be consistently good enough to win something unless Ange is prepared to have a plan B.
 
If the stats are correct how do you manage to lose 4-0 with 72% possession which only lead to 2 shots on target? The highlights suggested an absolutely pathetic performance throughout the team, I didn't hear Sons name mentioned once on MotD, I can only remember seeing him disposessed a number of times leading to their goals. In summary, we are a team specialising in possession that leads to nothing.
 
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Madders needs better protection. By that i mean from our own midfielders. We're all well aware of the lack of protection he receives from the officials, it's been well documented by many during the course of the season. Even so, he still needs to work harder.

Yves is a busted flush. I take no pleasure in saying that at all believe me. It just hasn't worked out for him here & that happens unfortunately.

Our set piece coach needs a roasting & i mean a proper roasting. What the f**k was that again today?
 
Just seen Ange's post match presser.
He deflects. Constantly. Never actually gives a straight answer on what we did wrong.
When we get thumped by 4 goals and his opener is 'congrats to Newcastle' it doesn't bode well IMHO.
Our players are taking the piss. And he's allowing them to do it.
 
I just don't understand the simplest of tactics, if you're going to have your full backs push forward then you need one of your midfield to drop back to form a back 3. So far when you think on it how we play technically, we have 4 wingers 2 each side and another winger as or CF who's actually terrified to head the ball so our 4 wingers crosses are useless.
You couldn't make it up.
 
Stop knocking Sonny! I know he has his faults but he's an "honest", technically, tactically, gifted, professional footballer, he aint a centre-forward, he knows it, Ach doesn't,. If Ach wants to continue with this Sonny / Timo combination then he needs to reverse it. Give the German a trial at centre-forward, could be the second coming (Klinsmann?),
 
Fevvers said:
Stop knocking Sonny! I know he has his faults but he's an "honest", technically, tactically, gifted, professional footballer, he aint a centre-forward, he knows it, Ach doesn't,. If Ach wants to continue with this Sonny / Timo combination then he needs to reverse it. Give the German a trial at centre-forward, could be the second coming (Klinsmann?),
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Fully agree with the first half Fevvers, if not the second. For me Werner is a useful player to have in the squad, but he'll never be hitting any great heights.
 
Absolutely awful. The thrashings we have received at Newcastle, Fulham and Brighton have nothing to do with a team in transition, work in progress, injuries, refereeing decisions, the woodwork, or any of the other stuff invariably put forward to excuse poor performance. Quite simply we were rubbish, and it is becoming increasingly clear that, particularly away from home, we are technically inept. Yesterday's game for me raises two important questions;

- What do our best players really feel about this form of one size fits all that we are playing. Is Van Der Ven genuinely happy to be regularly fed to the wolves, taking on hungry forward lines single footedly whilst his defensive colleagues are everywhere else other than where they should be. Every game is different, every opposition is different, every venue and atmosphere is different. Are we affording opposing teams the necessary respect to technically evaluate and plan for the opposition and game that is ahead of us.

- In recent times the emphasis within the Club has definitely shifted toward investment in infra structure and playing personnel. Levy will always however be the main man, he pays the money and makes or approves the appointments. I wonder whether he's happy with what he's seeing in 2024. Is there a view that we are making genuine progress toward the Club's objectives, or is he thinking 'here we go again'.

We will qualify for European football next season, probably the Europa League, which will meet a minimum expectation. More will be expected next season however, and it will need more than talking a good game.
 
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Let's sack the manager. It's the Tottenham way after all as soon as we hit a few problems. It can make us all feel good for a while until the problems start again.

We can then move on to our 14th permanent manager under Enic. At least we'll have something we can match Chelsea with over the last 24 years.

At some point though we'll have to stop this managerial merry-go-round and back a manager, even through the rough times.

If we continue to sack our managers at a rate of one every 18 months the list of suitable candidates will continue to diminish. Yes, our money will buy mercenaries like Jose and Conte, but it won't attract the calibre of manager we've approached in the past such as Nagelsmann (ETH, Potter) all of whom who turned us down. Even that illustrious duo - Te Kloese and Slot - turned us down to stay at Feyenoord. No promising manager worth his salt will risk his career in this environment.
 
VDV had an absolute stinker, we gave them far too much space to pick their passes, Son went AWOL and our midfield looked pedestrian. We played the game at a walking pace, it was an awful watch.

It's a learning curve and everybody knew we'd get some spankings this year. We've won games we should have lost and some draws have felt like defeats and wins.

It's certainly a roller-coaster!
 
In recent times both Harry Redknapp and Poch led us into the CL, playing great football and with a little more investment in the squad might well have landed us a trophy or two. This was in the face of blatant financial double dealing by some of our rivals and concurrent with developing world class facilities. Both Harry and Mauricio had a track record in the PL to recommend them and the players responded fairly quickly to their methods. The problem for Ange is his lack of a track record at this level so he must be able to demonstrate real potential. He talks a great game and has given us watch ability again so deserves at least another crack at next season however we finish this one. But, and it is a big but, he must quash this feeling of naivity that hangs over him. Frankly, if we kick off next season playing so open, I'd give him 10 games max.
 
We self destructed but the refereeing bias was relevant too. All our yellow cards were not yellows. Other offences by us could have been justified yellows but that applies even more to the Newcastle players. How could they receive no yellow cards given the number of free kicks their players gave away. Kick to Bentancour's shoulder in their box is a clear penalty.
 
I don't know what's happened to Bissouma but he is looking toilet. I'd seriously be tempted in playing Romero there.Son was awful and cannot lead the line in fact he has been off for a while now. Maddison has been terrible since he has come back from that long lay off.

I want to say it was an off day but it was the same as the Fulham game, **cking terrible. Ange needs to start listening to his own philosophy because shit ain't working. If we are completely honest we were in trouble against Forest until they ran out of steam. I worry about the Gooner game. They could seriously batter us if we don't get our act together.

On a plus note. Timo tries bless him but seriously needs to find his shooting boots. I think I would still take him for £15M as there is a player there.
 
SmithAndJones said:
Fully agree with the first half Fevvers, if not the second. For me Werner is a useful player to have in the squad, but he'll never be hitting any great heights.
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Yr right S&J, thought I'd just throw it in as a taster.....
Just read yr next post - "What do our best players really feel about this form of one size fits all that we are playing.", I've been asking myself that same question for a while but everything I read/hear appears to indicate they're on-board with him. But, what else can a player say, if he wants to keep his job, just let his agent know he wants out!
 
Gary Onedaysoon said:
Let's sack the manager. It's the Tottenham way after all as soon as we hit a few problems. It can make us all feel good for a while until the problems start again.

We can then move on to our 14th permanent manager under Enic. At least we'll have something we can match Chelsea with over the last 24 years.

At some point though we'll have to stop this managerial merry-go-round and back a manager, even through the rough times.

If we continue to sack our managers at a rate of one every 18 months the list of suitable candidates will continue to diminish. Yes, our money will buy mercenaries like Jose and Conte, but it won't attract the calibre of manager we've approached in the past such as Nagelsmann (ETH, Potter) all of whom who turned us down. Even that illustrious duo - Te Kloese and Slot - turned us down to stay at Feyenoord. No promising manager worth his salt will risk his career in this environment.
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It would be a very brave decision for Spurs to sack Ange. It would probably feel like the Nuno one i.e. an assessment that the manager isn't up to the task. It doesn't mean that it is a wrong decision though.

Spurs have a structure in place where we have redeveloped this squad over 3 years. It is a decent squad and a budget to match. We have bought young, progressive footballers that any new manager would be able to nurture. We've also almost completed the cycle of churning the unwanted old guard.

I'm still hoping that Ange finally realises that at this very high level of football, that he hasn't operated in before, his fantasy football tactics will not work. He needs to reign them in and get back to some basics. He can look at what Pep, Klopp, Arteta etc did when they first joined. They got some attacking football going, but they didn't sacrifice the defensive side. That is sacrosanct in the football managers handbook.

I actually don't know how Ange is going to react. It's not as if we don't want him to do well. He's a great guy who has made this ride a lot easier. He has to change though or he will fall on his sword and will have nobody to blame but himself.

I'm not in the sack Ange camp yet but will be if he doesn't change himself. It is really down to him.
 
muttley said:
It would be a very brave decision for Spurs to sack Ange. It would probably feel like the Nuno one i.e. an assessment that the manager isn't up to the task. It doesn't mean that it is a wrong decision though.

Spurs have a structure in place where we have redeveloped this squad over 3 years. It is a decent squad and a budget to match. We have bought young, progressive footballers that any new manager would be able to nurture. We've also almost completed the cycle of churning the unwanted old guard.

I'm still hoping that Ange finally realises that at this very high level of football, that he hasn't operated in before, his fantasy football tactics will not work. He needs to reign them in and get back to some basics. He can look at what Pep, Klopp, Arteta etc did when they first joined. They got some attacking football going, but they didn't sacrifice the defensive side. That is sacrosanct in the football managers handbook.

I actually don't know how Ange is going to react. It's not as if we don't want him to do well. He's a great guy who has made this ride a lot easier. He has to change though or he will fall on his sword and will have nobody to blame but himself.

I'm not in the sack Ange camp yet but will be if he doesn't change himself. It is really down to him.
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Exactly. I don't think that many of us on here are wanting Ange out, we'd rather he succeeds. He will however have to make some changes to both his playing approach and his personal makeup in order to succeed. I'm left with the impression at the moment that he views everything that goes wrong as being down to the team. Wrong, he could do more to get the best out of what basically is a high potential squad of players.
 
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