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Here we go!

da fuq said:
Well Italy have to manage the money and the situation as they are a sovereign nation their problems are not caused or exacerbated by being in the EU

The EU is trying to help them

It is the same in our country all the problems that we faced are due to our govt's but the big lie, helped by the media, made easy targets like you believe the problems were created by or because of the EU

Embarrassing
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Jesus. Your EU fanboi blindness is quite something.
 
Polly 433 said:
The EU has a lot to answer for but in this particular discussion I wasn’t putting any responsibility for Italy’s sovereignty problem on the EU or Germany. Read the post again.

Having worked across the EU I still subscribe to many European papers and am very unlikely to fall for the British media barons message. I can make my own mind up from experience. I am proud to be part of the culture that brings the politicians practice to be put under the spotlight. Unions are being sidelined throughout Europe as basic workers rights, fought for over decades are minimised. The plague of endless cheap Labour has to be tackled.
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Which is why it beggars belief that anyone who is a socialist at heart, would want to remain in the EU.
It's a circle that cannot be squared.
 
Strett said:
Which is why it beggars belief that anyone who is a socialist at heart, would want to remain in the EU.
It's a circle that cannot be squared.
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Rubbish. The eu is meant to balance interests on all sides. What beggars belief is that so called socialists would undermine a basis for collective action. Unions are not the only way to work together. Indeed not sure unions are great examples anymore of collective action since all of them resemble the corporations they are meant to engage with.
 
radfordinlondon said:
Rubbish. The eu is meant to balance interests on all sides. What beggars belief is that so called socialists would undermine a basis for collective action. Unions are not the only way to work together. Indeed not sure unions are great examples anymore of collective action since all of them resemble the corporations they are meant to engage with.
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What, like the European U... What's that word?
 
5 years' ago today. Time flies.

I regret voting remain; I should have listened to what the Daily Mail were saying. It's what Diana would have wanted after all.
 
mao tse tung said:
They increase prices, which in turn creates inflation and then you have the inevitable rise in interest rates
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The opposite argument was used by supporters of a large increase in the minimum wage when the spectre of Corbychev was looming over the country.

People cannot use the argument that paying more increases prices, if they also deny it will happen when it suits their political colours.
 
Strett said:
The opposite argument was used by supporters of a large increase in the minimum wage when the spectre of Corbychev was looming over the country.

People cannot use the argument that paying more increases prices, if they also deny it will happen when it suits their political colours.
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Its not the minimum wage which is increasing; the increase in wages are for the skilled jobs which are slowly but surely drifting away.
 
Strett said:
The opposite argument was used by supporters of a large increase in the minimum wage when the spectre of Corbychev was looming over the country.

People cannot use the argument that paying more increases prices, if they also deny it will happen when it suits their political colours.
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It's weird isn't it. Johnson promised a £10 minimum wage, but let's slag off the person who would have achieved it instead of the person who promised it to get votes then dumped it along with many other policies.
 
trickynumber5 said:
It's weird isn't it. Johnson promised a £10 minimum wage, but let's slag off the person who would have achieved it instead of the person who promised it to get votes then dumped it along with many other policies.
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A £10 minimum wage would increase prices, which in turn creates inflation and then you have the inevitable rise in interest rates
 
Strett said:
It's the salaries in hospitality to which I was referring, those have increased up to 14%
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I would not doubt that for one minute but there will be consequences; not everyone will be able to afford the increases and some businesses will just not pay the extra.

I can quite easily see a lot of people kissing goodbye to their local pub for instance.
 
Strett said:
The opposite argument was used by supporters of a large increase in the minimum wage when the spectre of Corbychev was looming over the country.

People cannot use the argument that paying more increases prices, if they also deny it will happen when it suits their political colours.
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I think corbynomics is backwards as well but its several steps up from strettononics.
 
Security is the issue with so many things, narrowing it down to wages specifically is clearly wrong. The one thing people really need in life is a roof over thier head. If Im socialist by anyones definaitions its because of this single belief.

One of the early conservatives, I forget her name, but back when conservatives were conservatives and not tories, she said that the whole idealism of what they wanted to create cannot work with todays house prices and rents.

Since we have used property as a commodity then problems have raced down this financial hole for many households. Rents for some people are as much as 70% of thier income, for a huge number it is 50% of thier expenditure. I believe that conservatives ideal was for this figure to be like 10%.

If I was in power today, I would find a way to stop 'landlords', stop the ownership of multiple properties and find a way to really build more homes and drive down the costs. of having a secure home.
 
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