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muttley said:
And have we turned that corner?

I don't think the general public think that way. They don't think about their pension graph over 5 years and what has happened so positively in these last 6 months. They do think that last Monday they tried to book a doctor's appointment and have to wait 2 weeks to see a doctor. They do think that last night's pint of Guiness cost £6.50.

They don't acknowledge statements like this:

"Total pay rose on the year by 1.6% above the consumer prices index and regular pay rose on the year by 1.9% in October to December 2023."

It's interesting times politically. I agree with Ex that Rishi is a good guy at heart, like Teresa May. I also think Jeremy Hunt is very competent and in the right role. It is a no-win role.

This will be the "grass is greener" vs "devil you know" election.

Supply and demand is exactly that and as consumers we should be very intolerant to the greedy companies. My golf club put up prices by 8% last year stating inflation as a justification. We had to swallow it. This year they did the same 8% again with inflation at 3.4%. People left in swathes. I reduced from 7 day to 5 day membership and told them they can have less money from me than they got 2 years ago.

Yes, a first world problem but indicative of a bad behaviour that has crept into many different industries during the last 5 years. The political party that solves this will get my backing.
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Are we in a better place now than we were 14 years ago?

Obviously there have been a number of external factors that have had a huge bearing on how our economy has performed but for the life of me i can never recollect whether i've witnessed a recession under Labour or not. Spin that around with regards to the Tory party & you'd get a very different answer.
 
steveperryman said:
Are we in a better place now than we were 14 years ago?

Obviously there have been a number of external factors that have had a huge bearing on how our economy has performed but for the life of me i can never recollect whether i've witnessed a recession under Labour or not. Spin that around with regards to the Tory party & you'd get a very different answer.
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Then you've been living under a tree or in a cave anywhere; almost without fail that's becasue they spent, spent and spent again and left it to the Tories to clear the mess up...

Don't you recall the shit house they left this nation in 2010?

"The former chief secretary to the Treasury, Liam Byrne, has reignited criticism of Labour's stewardship of the economy with a note for his successor which said "there's no money left".

Byrne's note was discovered by David Laws, the Liberal Democrat MP who was appointed by the coalition government to succeed Byrne as No 2 at the Treasury.

It is a convention for outgoing ministers to leave a note for their successors with advice on how to settle into the job. But Byrne's note – which he later said was intended as a private joke – drew attention to Labour's economic record when it was revealed by Laws at a press conference today.

Laws told reporters: "When I arrived at my desk on the very first day as chief secretary, I found a letter from the previous chief secretary to give me some advice, I assumed, on how I conduct myself over the months ahead.

"Unfortunately, when I opened it, it was a one-sentence letter which simply said: 'Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left,' which was honest but slightly less helpful advice than I had been expecting."

This government has had to deal with some of the worst crisis since the WW2, and of course they didn't get it right all of the time - if labour had faced exactly the same disasters, this country would be living on handouts from the IMF again.

Sadly, just like yours is, age makes for faulty memories.

And mark my words, labour will be handed a healthy economy, and they'll bust it all over again - just watch their social spending and immigration plans - disasters waiting to happen.

If I'm honest, I won't care that much now, as like so many others I've made my plans to move abroad at least until everyone gives up on them again., which they will.

From my circle of friends/businessmen/entrepreneurs at least 20 are doing the same as me - assuming they pay the sort of income taxes I do, that will between £3-5 mill a year in revenue they'll lose - and I think that will be the tip, and what they'll lose from capital taxes and businesses taxes will dwarf that.

I feel sad for those who can't get out, but voting for labour will extract a horrendous price over their term of office.
 
At last, probably too little too late - but finally a recognition of what we've all know for years:


Tory MPs plan for migrant crime league tables​


Ranking system backed by Tory MPs would allow Home Office to tighten restrictions on certain countries



Charles Hymas, Home Affairs Editor 29 March 2024 • 9:06pm

Robert Jenrick has put forward the plan, saying we must understand the social impacts of immigration if we wish to tackle it
The migrant nationalities with the highest rates of crime will be revealed in league tables under plans to be considered by ministers.

The proposal, backed by senior Tory MPs, would require the crime rates of each nation’s migrants in England and Wales to be published annually.
Ministers would present a report to Parliament each year detailing the nationality, visa status and asylum status of every offender convicted in English and Welsh courts in the previous 12 months.

Such a move would mirror an approach by some US states and Denmark, where the crime rates of those from Kuwait, Tunisia, Lebanon and Somalia are far higher than those of Danish nationals.

The plan, set out in an amendment to the Government’s Criminal Justice Bill, would enable the Home Office to toughen visa and deportation policies for nationalities linked to higher rates of crime.

It is understood that the Government’s main concern is regarding the practicality of implementing the plan, as ministers have no ideological objections to it. A government source said: “We will certainly look properly at this amendment and engage with colleagues in the usual way.”
The plan has been put forward by Robert Jenrick, the former immigration minister, and has been backed by more than a dozen Tory MPs including Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg, the former business secretary, on the Right of the party and Sir Robert Buckland, the former justice secretary, on the centre-Left.

‘The UK is importing crime’​

“We cannot hope to fix our immigration system without understanding the problem. The national debate on legal and illegal migration is hindered by a lack of data on the fiscal, economic and societal impacts of migration,” said Mr Jenrick.

“There is mounting concern that the UK is importing crime, particularly violent crime, sexual assaults and drug production. We need to have transparency so the public knows what’s happening and policy can be formulated accordingly.”
Rishi Sunak is fighting to get a grip on illegal and legal migration following his pledge to stop the boats. Polls show that dissatisfaction with the Government’s immigration policies is at its highest level since Brexit, with the Conservatives shedding support for the Reform Party on the issue.

Last year, Suella Braverman, the former home secretary, warned that migrants in the UK illegally were fuelling crime, saying that those arriving on small boats were linked to “heightened levels of criminality”.


National Crime Agency chiefs have previously warned that a “significant number” of Albanians who had entered the UK illegally were working for organised criminal drug gangs.

Backers of the league table plan believe it will help the Government strengthen immigration policy on three fronts. First, they said it would allow the Home Office to tighten screening of visas from countries with nationals linked to higher crime rates in the UK. A similar approach could be taken to asylum applications. They also say it would enable the Home Office to focus deportations and returns agreements on those countries.

Mr Jenrick said: “An open immigration system is creating serious problems in communities, but without data, we can’t have an informed debate.”

Sir Robert said Denmark and the US had a similar approach to tackling immigration, as both countries had developed proposals to process asylum claims of migrants offshore in Rwanda.

“The Danes think similarly to us. They were the ones looking at third-country processing agreements. I don’t think anyone can suggest they are not compliant with international laws yet they are rightly adopting a robust and fair approach,” he said.

“Anything that makes us more efficient in the way we process claims to sift out people whose presence would be a detriment to our country should be considered.”

Among MPs backing the plan are former ministers Andrea Jenkyns, Sir Simon Clarke, Neil O’Brien, Jonathan Djanogly, Sir Desmond Swayne, Sarah Dines, Sir James Duddridge, Heather Wheeler and Caroline Johnson.
The Danish Government’s data on migrant crimes enables researchers to compile league tables showing which nations have the highest conviction rate relative to Danish nationals.

Japanese, US, Australian, Austrian, Argentinian and Indian citizens have the lowest rates at half those of Danes, while more than 40 nations have higher conviction rates for violent crime.

Denmark has some of the toughest immigration policies in Europe and has been seeking to work with other EU countries to deport migrants to a third country outside the bloc where their asylum claims would be processed.
 
Spursex said:
At last, probably too little too late - but finally a recognition of what we've all know for years:


Tory MPs plan for migrant crime league tables​


Ranking system backed by Tory MPs would allow Home Office to tighten restrictions on certain countries



Charles Hymas, Home Affairs Editor 29 March 2024 • 9:06pm

Robert Jenrick has put forward the plan, saying we must understand the social impacts of immigration if we wish to tackle it
The migrant nationalities with the highest rates of crime will be revealed in league tables under plans to be considered by ministers.

The proposal, backed by senior Tory MPs, would require the crime rates of each nation’s migrants in England and Wales to be published annually.
Ministers would present a report to Parliament each year detailing the nationality, visa status and asylum status of every offender convicted in English and Welsh courts in the previous 12 months.

Such a move would mirror an approach by some US states and Denmark, where the crime rates of those from Kuwait, Tunisia, Lebanon and Somalia are far higher than those of Danish nationals.

The plan, set out in an amendment to the Government’s Criminal Justice Bill, would enable the Home Office to toughen visa and deportation policies for nationalities linked to higher rates of crime.

It is understood that the Government’s main concern is regarding the practicality of implementing the plan, as ministers have no ideological objections to it. A government source said: “We will certainly look properly at this amendment and engage with colleagues in the usual way.”
The plan has been put forward by Robert Jenrick, the former immigration minister, and has been backed by more than a dozen Tory MPs including Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg, the former business secretary, on the Right of the party and Sir Robert Buckland, the former justice secretary, on the centre-Left.

‘The UK is importing crime’​

“We cannot hope to fix our immigration system without understanding the problem. The national debate on legal and illegal migration is hindered by a lack of data on the fiscal, economic and societal impacts of migration,” said Mr Jenrick.

“There is mounting concern that the UK is importing crime, particularly violent crime, sexual assaults and drug production. We need to have transparency so the public knows what’s happening and policy can be formulated accordingly.”
Rishi Sunak is fighting to get a grip on illegal and legal migration following his pledge to stop the boats. Polls show that dissatisfaction with the Government’s immigration policies is at its highest level since Brexit, with the Conservatives shedding support for the Reform Party on the issue.

Last year, Suella Braverman, the former home secretary, warned that migrants in the UK illegally were fuelling crime, saying that those arriving on small boats were linked to “heightened levels of criminality”.


National Crime Agency chiefs have previously warned that a “significant number” of Albanians who had entered the UK illegally were working for organised criminal drug gangs.

Backers of the league table plan believe it will help the Government strengthen immigration policy on three fronts. First, they said it would allow the Home Office to tighten screening of visas from countries with nationals linked to higher crime rates in the UK. A similar approach could be taken to asylum applications. They also say it would enable the Home Office to focus deportations and returns agreements on those countries.

Mr Jenrick said: “An open immigration system is creating serious problems in communities, but without data, we can’t have an informed debate.”

Sir Robert said Denmark and the US had a similar approach to tackling immigration, as both countries had developed proposals to process asylum claims of migrants offshore in Rwanda.

“The Danes think similarly to us. They were the ones looking at third-country processing agreements. I don’t think anyone can suggest they are not compliant with international laws yet they are rightly adopting a robust and fair approach,” he said.

“Anything that makes us more efficient in the way we process claims to sift out people whose presence would be a detriment to our country should be considered.”

Among MPs backing the plan are former ministers Andrea Jenkyns, Sir Simon Clarke, Neil O’Brien, Jonathan Djanogly, Sir Desmond Swayne, Sarah Dines, Sir James Duddridge, Heather Wheeler and Caroline Johnson.
The Danish Government’s data on migrant crimes enables researchers to compile league tables showing which nations have the highest conviction rate relative to Danish nationals.

Japanese, US, Australian, Austrian, Argentinian and Indian citizens have the lowest rates at half those of Danes, while more than 40 nations have higher conviction rates for violent crime.

Denmark has some of the toughest immigration policies in Europe and has been seeking to work with other EU countries to deport migrants to a third country outside the bloc where their asylum claims would be processed.
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I don't know if it's the same in the UK but we have to clear US Customs at the Toronto airport before we can fly to the USA.

It's a great system that avoids all kinds of problems for the USA and we should be doing the same.
 
Greavswasthegreatest said:
The two main issues for most are Immigration and the Health Service and the cons have not dealt with either so they have opened the door for the common man to vote in Labour ....who won't sort out immigration but may well pump more dosh into the health service which will go on more f'in middle management wasters and bureacracy and not nurses and doctors......as they always do!....(a manager to manage the managers who manage the middle managers )
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Spot on Greavsie, we are fcuking doomed when the Red Twats get in, esp if its a land bloody side, which I am keeping my fingers crossed it won't be.
 
total spurs said:
Well as we haven't turned the corner...it's Labour then. Whilst for me it's anyone is better than this crooked incompetent Tory govt, I can't really imagine Labour making too much difference. Tho if they manage to sort out the NHS, it's a step in the right direction.
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Sorry TS you are really having a laff if you think the Red Twats will sort out the NHS, more dosh means more to the well overcrowded white collar workers and nowt to the real peops of the NHS....Nurses etc.

The Red Twats couldn't run a piss up in a Brewery, many time prior have proved this.

Remember I am not saying the Tories are the best, cos they are a paper thin difference to the Reds, we need a new Party.
 
Pompey Yid said:
Sorry TS you are really having a laff if you think the Red Twats will sort out the NHS, more dosh means more to the well overcrowded white collar workers and nowt to the real peops of the NHS....Nurses etc.

The Red Twats couldn't run a piss up in a Brewery, many time prior have proved this.

Remember I am not saying the Tories are the best, cos they are a paper thin difference to the Reds, we need a new Party.
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The best we can hope for is the Reform party winning a good number of red wall seats and influencing policies in a coalition with the Tories.
 
Afternoon all, its game day, about the only happy thing I can say.

There was talk of the ever increasing costs/values, here is just a couple for me/us...

Council Tax on my Gaff...£3250+ yearly, what the fcuk do I get for that, oh I know work my Bollocks off all my life only to be punished for it.

Green Waste collection service....gone from £65 to £83 a year, um most of the Collectors are of Foreign nationality, cheap labour, and cannot bloody read or even speak English, does that make me a racist cos I ave pointed that out, probably!
 
I afraid Spex is correct in his analysis, Labour spend and bust, the Tories have to come in and pick up the pieces, and every time we're about to turn a corner, people vote Labour again.
Yup it was an extremely difficult period this time round, given 'Austerity', then COVID, follwed by the Ukraine situation.
You can't pay people for sitting at home for two years, and not expect to have to pay it back, and indeed that two years of inactivity had to have a roll on effect on the country in growth (lack of), factor in the on going effects of Brexit, whether for or against, it has an effect on trade and business, which my have been settled now but for COVID and Ukraine.
I just think there have been extenuating circumstances, during the Tories tenure, that's not saying they got it all right, but if anyone thinks Labour can do better, look at Wales.
 
Niall D said:
I afraid Spex is correct in his analysis, Labour spend and bust, the Tories have to come in and pick up the pieces, and every time we're about to turn a corner, people vote Labour again.
Yup it was an extremely difficult period this time round, given 'Austerity', then COVID, follwed by the Ukraine situation.
You can't pay people for sitting at home for two years, and not expect to have to pay it back, and indeed that two years of inactivity had to have a roll on effect on the country in growth (lack of), factor in the on going effects of Brexit, whether for or against, it has an effect on trade and business, which my have been settled now but for COVID and Ukraine.
I just think there have been extenuating circumstances, during the Tories tenure, that's not saying they got it all right, but if anyone thinks Labour can do better, look at Wales.
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Never truer words Niall, esp the "look at Wales"
 
Niall D said:
I afraid Spex is correct in his analysis, Labour spend and bust, the Tories have to come in and pick up the pieces, and every time we're about to turn a corner, people vote Labour again.
Yup it was an extremely difficult period this time round, given 'Austerity', then COVID, follwed by the Ukraine situation.
You can't pay people for sitting at home for two years, and not expect to have to pay it back, and indeed that two years of inactivity had to have a roll on effect on the country in growth (lack of), factor in the on going effects of Brexit, whether for or against, it has an effect on trade and business, which my have been settled now but for COVID and Ukraine.
I just think there have been extenuating circumstances, during the Tories tenure, that's not saying they got it all right, but if anyone thinks Labour can do better, look at Wales.
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And remember that Momentum have not gone away. They will be embolden again.
 
Well I've gotta say how anyone can think the past 14 years of Tory govt has benefited the country is beyond me. They have financially raped the country. They have decimated the NHS. We no longer have a viable police force. They have made sure they have and continue to steal from the public purse. They look after their own and whoever can benefit them financially, instead of working to benefit the masses. The govt, possibly after the Met are the worst of the worst insofar as doing the job they are meant to do.

Our armed forces would struggle to defend itself. I can say that as a Vet who along with my brothers, father and grandparents have served our (once great) country during various wars. With a collection of medals, including the military cross to show for it.

Politics and political parties is a bit like double entry accounting. For every credit there is a corresponding debit. For me whilst I'm not convinced Labour are the answer, I'd prefer them to Tories or reform who I know for sure aren't the answer & have far too many debuts than credits....all IMO of course.

Anyway, it's all to political for me so I'm gonna stick to the football. Coys
 
Sorry folks but if you think the Tories are bad, as I do, wiv the Red Twats in charge you aint seen nuffin yet!

And am in the same situation as para 2 by TS earlier, a Vet, as is my Brother, Father, Uncles, Gr Parents, Gr Gr Parents, but the Red Twats who are so Woke will only make things worse.
 
Spursex said:
Then you've been living under a tree or in a cave anywhere; almost without fail that's becasue they spent, spent and spent again and left it to the Tories to clear the mess up...

Don't you recall the shit house they left this nation in 2010?

"The former chief secretary to the Treasury, Liam Byrne, has reignited criticism of Labour's stewardship of the economy with a note for his successor which said "there's no money left".

Byrne's note was discovered by David Laws, the Liberal Democrat MP who was appointed by the coalition government to succeed Byrne as No 2 at the Treasury.

It is a convention for outgoing ministers to leave a note for their successors with advice on how to settle into the job. But Byrne's note – which he later said was intended as a private joke – drew attention to Labour's economic record when it was revealed by Laws at a press conference today.

Laws told reporters: "When I arrived at my desk on the very first day as chief secretary, I found a letter from the previous chief secretary to give me some advice, I assumed, on how I conduct myself over the months ahead.

"Unfortunately, when I opened it, it was a one-sentence letter which simply said: 'Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left,' which was honest but slightly less helpful advice than I had been expecting."

This government has had to deal with some of the worst crisis since the WW2, and of course they didn't get it right all of the time - if labour had faced exactly the same disasters, this country would be living on handouts from the IMF again.

Sadly, just like yours is, age makes for faulty memories.

And mark my words, labour will be handed a healthy economy, and they'll bust it all over again - just watch their social spending and immigration plans - disasters waiting to happen.

If I'm honest, I won't care that much now, as like so many others I've made my plans to move abroad at least until everyone gives up on them again., which they will.

From my circle of friends/businessmen/entrepreneurs at least 20 are doing the same as me - assuming they pay the sort of income taxes I do, that will between £3-5 mill a year in revenue they'll lose - and I think that will be the tip, and what they'll lose from capital taxes and businesses taxes will dwarf that.

I feel sad for those who can't get out, but voting for labour will extract a horrendous price over their term of office.
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They've made promises which they have failed to keep. People have long memories & what the Tories are about to find out is the electorate don't particularly like that.
 
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