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GillsBluenose said:
Going forward, the EU's reaction in humiliating May yesterday throws up an interesting issue.

She has been quoted many times as saying that (1) her Chequers plan is the only credible one, and (2) no deal is better than a bad deal.

On the basis that the EU's outright rejection of that plan makes it dead in the water, surely May will have to resign.

If so, everyone knows Bozza Johnson's preference for a no deal if the EU remains intransigent . Are there any other candidates for the Tory leadership that are remainers or would be willing to capitulate to the EU?

As for Alistair Campbell, he joins the long list of ex-politicians and advisors that have given up the profession to rake in money from book deals and speeches instead, but still think their voices are relevant.
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While the party is pulling in five or six different directions leadership needs the skill of a genius. I doubt the tories have one let lone one able to sweet talk the EU and several hundred crazy MP's with a death wish.
 
GillsBluenose said:
She has been quoted many times as saying that (1) her Chequers plan is the only credible one, and (2) no deal is better than a bad deal.
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A no-deal is a bad deal. The EU wants a deal no doubt but on its terms; the UK is leaving the EU so clearly cannot dictate terms. Strange how the EU member states are sticking together instead of the likes of [say] Germany pushing for a deal. Remember, only 8% of the EU's business is with the UK; whereas, ours is closer to 50% and you wont find markets overnight to top up any shortfall. Let's go for WTO with a falling Pound, tariffs on imported goods and extra admin to deal with all the red tape that involves. A no-deal is a bad deal. If we can't deal our way out of the EU then what chance with the likes of the USA, India or China? Botswana should be OK unless Bojo becomes PM and pisses them all off.
 
So Chequers is officially dead, and so is the PM.

Her mistake was thinking that she was in a negotiation.
There would never be one. The EU cannot afford to make it easy as there is a lot of anti EU feeling right across Europe. It would be the end of them.
The EU have said from day one, accept our terms or just leave.
That is exactly what we must do.

Leave the EU and a Labour government !

Happy days !
 
Mrs May must be incredibly thick skinned or just thick. It is obvious to the whole world that we are not going to get the deal she wants but she still harps on about her way or no way. This was the Prime minister that called the last election on the basis that strong government was needed to see us through the Brexit negotiations but it has just been a wishy washy mess from day 1 and realistically we are no further forward. Hope you all remember what a mess she has made of it come the next election. Regardless of your views on Corbyn - would he have done any worse, I think not.
 
Wayne.Kerr said:
A no-deal is a bad deal. The EU wants a deal no doubt but on its terms; the UK is leaving the EU so clearly cannot dictate terms. Strange how the EU member states are sticking together instead of the likes of [say] Germany pushing for a deal. Remember, only 8% of the EU's business is with the UK; whereas, ours is closer to 50% and you wont find markets overnight to top up any shortfall.
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Realistically, Germany itself was never likely to face huge hardship but some other EU countries are clearly disturbed by the potential consequences of our withdrawal:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45591733

Nobody is suggesting that either side has the right to "dictate terms" of a deal and clearly both sides have the right to walk away without a deal which now seems ever more likely.

It needs a will and some flexibility on both sides to reach a deal that would be on benefit to businesses both in the UK and the EU.
Sadly, it is much easier for the bureaucrats to say the word "No" and refuse to move their red lines regardless of the consequences.
 
It will be better for all if any 'negotiation' takes place after we are a third country.
Then all the existing baggage will be gone.

No more mention of free movement, payments etc.

Just a straight forward, mutually beneficial trade agreement.
 
UK have ignored the EU's clearly stated positions from the very beginning. To be honest they couldn't have been clearer. TM is actually a very good leader but no-one can lead a party nor a country that is so divided.
 
Straightbat said:
In that case why do Brexiteers act so offended at any suggestion the advice should be interpreted to shape a 'soft' deal in the country's best interests?
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I was joking, as the advisory things was talked about straight after the result. Leaving the EU is now government policy.
 
LSB2 said:
I was joking, as the advisory things was talked about straight after the result. Leaving the EU is now government policy.
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And the Opposition's policy.

Only the LibDems and Greens are against leaving the EU
An inconvenient truth for Remainiacs
 
The question is if Brexit turns out to be the wrong thing to do .Are voters going to support parties that supported leaving the EU ?People knock the fringe parties even remainers but the basic truth is if the referendum was a choice between staying in the EU and crashing out with no deal I believe there is little doubt the result would have been different .No doubt both the Tories and Labour would have then had policies to match that vote.To me that shows how weak willed the major parties are.The main body of the parties just willing to go with the popular option.Instead of what is good for the country. Corbyn in my view has been a total disgrace on Brexit sitting on the fence from day one.If we want a strong parliament we need people who stand up for what they think is right .While I have no agreement with Farage's position at least he stood up for his beliefs. Guys like Corbyn and Boris Johnson simply set the position on public popularity.
 
Chris, nobody knows if leaving the EU is the right thing to do.
Only history will prove it either way.
It could be great.
It could be a disaster.
The only person who absolutely knows for sure is our very own WayneKerr. :grinning:

Nobody seems to be changing their views on it, so the best that can happen is that a political party campaigns to re-join in the 2022 election.
If they win enough seats to form a government, good luck to them.
That is how democracy works.
One side wins and the other side loses, until the next time.
 
Guys like Corbyn simply set the position on public popularity. Now you are really having a laugh. Corbyn been consistently been pilloried for being on the then considered wrong side of public opinion.
 
RotherhitheGill said:
Guys like Corbyn simply set the position on public popularity. Now you are really having a laugh. Corbyn been consistently been pilloried for being on the then considered wrong side of public opinion.
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Also out of step with most labour MPs because he is a staunch Leaver
 
People voted to leave, not crash out with no deal. That wasn't on the referendum paper! The vote was to either remain or leave, and leave had the majority vote...
 
As expected, the Prime Minister has shamed the EU team.

Maybe if she had shown this resolve in the first place, we would be much further down the line in our preparations.

Nice that she said that all EU citizens are welcome to stay.
Will the EU do the same?
A guarantee that the UK will not put up a hard border in Ireland.
Will he EU do the same?
The ball is well and truly in their court now.
Maybe they will just come out a say that they never intended doing a deal and we can just get on with leaving.
 
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