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Corbyn’s wacky far left policies

Here are the main points.

Corbyn claimed that Labour would resolve the Brexit crisis facing the UK more quickly than Boris Johnson - because Johnson would spend years negotiating trade deals, while Labour wouldn’t. This involved an implicit admission that, under a Labour soft Brexit, the UK would not be negotiating its own trade deals because it would be working on them in conjunction with the EU. This is something that Sir Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, conceded in an interview on the Today programme this morning.

Corbyn defended his policy of trying to represent people on both sides of the Brexit debate.

He said that a UK-US trade deal of the kind envisaged by the Tories would unleash unleash “Thatcherism on steroids” on Britain.

He defended the claim that a UK-US trade deal could cost the NHS an extra £500m a week in higher drug prices , saying that this was an accurate and credible figure. Labour say this figure comes from what Liverpool University’s Dr Andrew Hill, an adviser to the WHO, told the Channel 4 Dispatches documentary last week. Hill said:
Our annual drugs bill for the NHS is £18bn, if we had to have American drug prices we are talking about £18bn a year going up to £45bn, so that’s an extra £27bn a year, or £500m a week extra for the NHS to pay.

Corbyn dismissed suggestions that Nigel Farage’s Brexit party should appeal to Labour voters, saying Farage was a “one-trick pony”. Corbyn went on:
He doesn’t actually offer anything to any of those communities. Our message and manifesto is about investing in all parts of this country.

Corbyn sidestepped a question about whether Labour would keep freedom of movement under its proposed plan for a soft Brexit. In the past Labour has said that freedom of movement would end if the UK left the EU, but at the party conference delegates passed a motion backing the principle of freedom of movement.

He did not rule out letting ministers campaign on either side during a second Brexit referendum. When asked if this would be an option, he just said the party would decide its stance at a special conference ahead of the proposed referendum.

How's that so far ?
 
A lot of words, some quite bold but I’ve not seen anything about any wacky left wing policies in any of that.

Wansalarf’s comment has more meat on its bones. If Corbyn has said that 16yos should have the vote and that Shemima Begum was too young to know what she was doing then that would seem a confused message. Would need to know the exact words used in each case to ensure that summary hasn’t been spun to look bad.
 
not wacky at all, just an old fashioned socialist agenda containing some interesting stuff but also a few non achieving but leftish populist gimmicks thrown in( such as closing down public schools, forcing landlords to sell properties to tennants). other policies will be counter productive such as hiking business tax rates 20 to 28%. One thing that did sound worrying though was allowing governments to choose editors of newspapers- not sure how true that was but was mentioned in the times.

If labour beat the tories but need the lib dems to form a government, i think that would be interesting. Corbyn would likely step aside and we would see more of a centre left administration. i would be all for that ( i think)!
 
octopus said:
not wacky at all, just an old fashioned socialist agenda containing some interesting stuff but also a few non achieving but leftish populist gimmicks thrown in( such as closing down public schools, forcing landlords to sell properties to tennants). other policies will be counter productive such as hiking business tax rates 20 to 28%. One thing that did sound worrying though was allowing governments to choose editors of newspapers- not sure how true that was but was mentioned in the times.

If labour beat the tories but need the lib dems to form a government, i think that would be interesting. Corbyn would likely step aside and we would see more of a centre left administration. i would be all for that ( i think)!
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For that you would have to know what the libdem policies are. So far apart from undemocratically ending brexit - they dont have any policies lol.
 
There was a very good comment in The Guardian sometime back from someone in Sweden who said you cannot get Scandinavian levels of public service with just redistributive taxation. He opined that the British were simply not interested in everybody being taxed up the wazoo and were more interested in getting someone else -ie the rich- to pay. Insofar as he is right about the British, and insofar as Labour's policies play off getting someone else to pay, they might be judged wacky.
 
Wansalarf said:
One is to give the vote to 16 year olds as they are very aware of what they are in life.
This is despite that not that long ago, he wanted Shamima Begum to be allowed back into the country after leaving to join ISIS at 16yo, as she was too young to understand what she was doing.
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Begum should be back, no question. UK citizen for us to deal with according to the law. Your "spin" on Corbyn's line is disingenuous. She should face our legal system. It may well be that she was groomed and that element may be taken into account. For once I agree with the Gillingham Tory MP in this matter.

Can you show me when where Corbyn said she should be "let off" as your post implies?

Deliberate misrepresentation I suspect. Typical of the cheap shots against Corbyn (and I'm not even a fan of his).
 
100% agree. I also read something similar today. These often trumpeted scandy countries get most tax from middle earners, so labour not raising tax here means it wont add up. Also these countries tend to be smaller so the the state runs more efficiently. Pretending this extra spending can be supported largely from the top 5% is rubish. its populist opportunism.

General tax would need to increase across the board, but everything thinks the tax threshhold increase should start just above what they earn. ( including corbyn as the proposed new top rate starts just above MPs salary
 
Gills 58 said:
Can you show me when where Corbyn said she should be "let off" as your post implies?

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He doesn't imply that, He said "allowed back in the country".

For what it's worth I agree with Jeremy (and you) that she should be let back. It wasn't her fault, the issues are far deeper than individuals.

Without looking, I thought she was 15 when she went?
 
nibbles said:
A lot of words, some quite bold but I’ve not seen anything about any wacky left wing policies in any of that..
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You should be more grateful. A question like that to WayneKerr would have got a reply of "do your own research"
 
Wansalarf said:
One is to give the vote to 16 year olds as they are very aware of what they are in life.
This is despite that not that long ago, he wanted Shamima Begum to be allowed back into the country after leaving to join ISIS at 16yo, as she was too young to understand what she was doing.
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She left the UK in February 2015, aged 15 and was therefore in law a minor and would be judged to have been either ‘groomed’ or ‘trafficked’. Why cannot you just state facts and then discuss?
 
Jerryattrick said:
She left the UK in February 2015, aged 15 and was therefore in law a minor and would be judged to have been either ‘groomed’ or ‘trafficked’. Why cannot you just state facts and then discuss?
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Groomed, yes
Trafficked, no
To be trafficked would imply that she went against her will.
The facts show the opposite. For what it's worth, I think she should be repatriated and pay the price for her involvement.
 
Wansalarf would you like to retract your statement or do you maintain that she was sixteen?
 
Jerryattrick said:
For that you would have to know what the libdem policies are. So far apart from undemocratically ending brexit - they dont have any policies lol.
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You could read the LibDem manifesto issued to-day. Undemocratically ending Brexit is Bollox. The LibDems could only end Brexit if they won a majority in Parliament; then it wouldn't be undemocratic would it?
 
shotshy said:
Groomed, yes
Trafficked, no
To be trafficked would imply that she went against her will.
The facts show the opposite. For what it's worth, I think she should be repatriated and pay the price for her involvement.
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Agree, small point but trafficking can occur when a person is persuaded to go somewhere of their own free will but things are different when they get there.
 
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