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BRE are you saying we should play players ahead of better players because they are young and may improve?
Prime age for a decent central defender is around 26/27-someone with a bit of pace/can read the game and is decent in the air.
Worrall, Smith , Osborne-they are simply not special enough to slot automatically into our first team. Brereton may end up being the very best of those if played in the right position
Cant remember Cloughie playing too many youngsters from our academy on a regular basis, nor mourinho, nor Conte unless the player is super gifted
Playing non special academy players in your first team is the highway to nowhere imo
What was the last player we sold for very big money from our academy? Maybe they just aren't up to it
Prime age for a decent central defender is around 26/27-someone with a bit of pace/can read the game and is decent in the air.
Worrall, Smith , Osborne-they are simply not special enough to slot automatically into our first team. Brereton may end up being the very best of those if played in the right position
Cant remember Cloughie playing too many youngsters from our academy on a regular basis, nor mourinho, nor Conte unless the player is super gifted
Playing non special academy players in your first team is the highway to nowhere imo
What was the last player we sold for very big money from our academy? Maybe they just aren't up to it
Old Red Fart
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Toms, you've got all serious suddenly. I think you have a chance, I've shot it I'm afraid. Although I've always been an optimist so even so I still live in hope.
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Jimmy Gordon
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Toms I think your point would be more valid if the experienced alternatives were better quality themselves
BC used to blood young centre backs (like Walker and Fairclough) alongside very experienced players like Paul Hart
It don't help that our experienced players are injury prone or erratic themselves
BC used to blood young centre backs (like Walker and Fairclough) alongside very experienced players like Paul Hart
It don't help that our experienced players are injury prone or erratic themselves
Behind Red Eyes
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I'd say now is a season to do that. We aint going up, we're not going down either, lets get these lads as experienced as possible so that we can use them for our own benefit over the coming years, or make the most out of them if they get sold.
And didn't Burke go for 13m?
Good point bre about Burke. Forgotten about him. But he would fall into special player category for me. He was a game changer. Regarding the notion we won't be going up or down so let them make mistakes personally I don't buy into that . We just came fourth bottom, escaped by skin of our teeth thanks to Britt largely. Club would imo be better served consolidating giving minutes to younger players where possible and build some confidence throughout club.
Jimmy I think overall I'd rather play Hobbs and manc together or mills and manc than worrall or mills and fox. There are better pairings at this club which don't involve worrall. If we had an outstanding older centre Half here placing him with worrall would probably work but we don't so on that basis personally I would go with the best pairing and for me worrall does not appear in that right now
Jimmy I think overall I'd rather play Hobbs and manc together or mills and manc than worrall or mills and fox. There are better pairings at this club which don't involve worrall. If we had an outstanding older centre Half here placing him with worrall would probably work but we don't so on that basis personally I would go with the best pairing and for me worrall does not appear in that right now
boszi
Vital Squad Member
Yes Woanz, but how much that kid that replaced him after 55 won, only record he got is he Exeter city youngest ever debut at 15y 10m.
He's what one fan said...
On came newly 17-year-old Ethan Ampadu with a terrifying hairdo and a like-for-like change. He promptly started bossing Bakayoko about, which I liked. And then he destroyed a Forest player with his first tackle. Which I liked even more. What I don’t like is that he was born IN THE YEAR 2000! F*ck I feel old.
Which brings me to question why were there not more Forest academy players on the bench or playing if MW wasnt going to play the first team? this would have been a good opportunity to gain experience especially once the game was lost down there was nothing to lose .
And being as in the second half Chelsea finished with basically mostly academy players this would have been a good exercise for them in front of a big crowd and to see what level they got to attain to if the club goes for Cat 1 status at some point
Other than that the team did quite well as this Chelsea commentator points out...
Very bored Forest fans singing “Where were you when you were sh*t?” Chelsea response? “You’re not famous anymore.” They were still better than Everton, to be fair to them.
https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2017/9/21/16341872/chelsea-nottingham-forest-league-cup-view-from-shed-end-stamford-bridge-stadium
Behind Red Eyes
Vital Squad Member
13m profit is a pretty large sum to consider doing it for though. Cash has had a 6m value attached to him previously, Brereton higher, and Osborn 2-3m. It's not peanuts and has to factor in our thinking for a reshape.
Also, we're a million times better than we were last season. We've won several away games, one against a Prem side, we've actually got a striker in Murphy capable of far more elements than Britt was (and his goal scoring record is good enough too), and the games we've lost at home have been to quality sides. We're also not going to sell our best player without replacing him either.
Still a work in progress, but the only thing which will give us a genuine relegation scrape will be a Davies-esq injury situation.
For now I say just carry on as is and see how things are shaping up in Jan to who we add.
I'd be massively surprised if we don't add at least a keeper in some way.
Old Red Fart
Vital Champions League
Now then shep, try to maintain just a bit of dignity please, even though I was supporting this lot long before you were born. Probably anyway.
In any case nothing's changed in between times, we're still struggling.
In any case nothing's changed in between times, we're still struggling.
radfordinlondon
Vital Football Legend
what utter rubbish about crushed championship club! in case people forgot we took on the top premier league team- at least we made a go of it to the extent chelski wanted to bang 5 past us. Not sure who was most embarrassed last time.
no one likes to lose but yesterday was all about players measuring themselves up against the best- if our players want to play at the highest level, they know how much they need to improve. It would have been crushing if we had thought we had a genuine chance to win the game- nobody did.
People questioning the selection seem to be doing so on the basis we could win the game- if you take this out, selection was not so crazy. All about villa and taking a point or more from old flat nose. time to forget about chelsea and move on.
no one likes to lose but yesterday was all about players measuring themselves up against the best- if our players want to play at the highest level, they know how much they need to improve. It would have been crushing if we had thought we had a genuine chance to win the game- nobody did.
People questioning the selection seem to be doing so on the basis we could win the game- if you take this out, selection was not so crazy. All about villa and taking a point or more from old flat nose. time to forget about chelsea and move on.
redshep
Vital Squad Member
Perfectly dignified here ORF. Just having a little gag re: your name being Old red fart. No offence intended sir.
But alas you're correct in the 35+ years I've been following and supporting forest the majority of the time has been a struggle, particularly for us fans :17:
However, though it may be a slog, the club at least seems to be being run by ambitious but more importantly competent, qualified people. We're all in it together and let's hope we all get to enjoy it together in the not too distant future. :14:
But alas you're correct in the 35+ years I've been following and supporting forest the majority of the time has been a struggle, particularly for us fans :17:
However, though it may be a slog, the club at least seems to be being run by ambitious but more importantly competent, qualified people. We're all in it together and let's hope we all get to enjoy it together in the not too distant future. :14:
Jimmy Gordon
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The stats say both teams had 16 shots each
We lost 5-1
Surely the biggest difference at Premier League level is the ability to finish chances
16 shots each against a Championship team and the score is never 5-1 either way
We lost 5-1
Surely the biggest difference at Premier League level is the ability to finish chances
16 shots each against a Championship team and the score is never 5-1 either way
Jimmy Gordon
Vital Football Legend
Expensive wages and not the player he was
IMO
Southern red
Vital Champions League
Have I missed something? Own choice players?
He got a fair few this summer of all
His choice
Southern red
Vital Champions League
Flumini is available....could he do a job for us on short term contract?
Calvin Plummer
Vital Football Legend
Correct sir
