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Tottenham: Ange Postecoglou admits 'majority' of players not convinced by attacking philosophy​

Spurs face Chelsea tonight with manager still trying to go “all in” on his attacking style of play




Dan Kilpatrick @Dan_KP3 hours ago
Tottenham manager Ange Postecoglou has admitted that “the majority” of his players and staff are still not true believers in his attacking philosophy.

Spurs’ style of play and defending at set-pieces is under scrutiny ahead of tonight’s derby clash at Chelsea following defeats to Newcastle and rivals Arsenal in their last two outings.


Postecoglou is unlikely to make any concessions on style at Stamford Bridge and yesterday sent a defiant message to his doubters, saying: “Eventually I will create a team that has success.”

The Australian acknowledged, though, that he is still in the process of convincing some members of his squad and staff to believe in the merits of his approach.

A 4-1 home defeat to Chelsea in the reverse fixture was arguably the best example of Postecoglou’s “non-negotiables” in action, as nine-man Spurs continued to defend on the halfway line and attack their rivals, despite losing two players to red cards and two to injury in a catastrophic 55 minutes.

Asked if that performance had convinced him his demands were getting through to the squad, Postecoglou told Standard Sport: “That’s a fair reflection, but the question for me always is: are they doing it because I’m telling them to do it or are they doing it because they believe it?

“And that’s always the process you’re going through. It’s inevitable at the start that most of it is happening because you’re telling them to do it, so at least I’m making an impact, at least they’re listening to me — that’s one box ticked.

“But for it to truly evolve into something, it’s because the players believe it. And I’ve seen the players growing into it, but we’re not there yet.

“It’s great they’re listening to me, but it is challenging to play this way all the time. You can’t just dip your toe in, you’ve got to be all in. I’ve seen growth within the group for that, but they’ve still got a way to go.
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“In my experience, the true belief comes when you’ve got the majority of the squad and staff [to a point] where if I didn’t turn up, they would still go about things in the same way. I don’t think we’re at the majority yet.”

The defeat to Chelsea, Spurs’ first in the league this season, derailed their record-breaking start under Postecoglou and they have been inconsistent and riddled by injuries ever since.

Ben Davies (calf) and Timo Werner (hamstring) are the latest to suffer muscle injuries, with both ruled out for the rest of the season following Sunday’s 3-2 defeat to Arsenal, leaving Postecoglou with a headache at left-back.

“The manner in which we played [against Chelsea in November] maybe gave people a small insight into what we’re trying to create here and the way we’re going about it and deal with challenges,” Postecoglou added.

“This is not the first time I’ve been questioned about set-pieces in my career.”


“Subsequent to that, we’re still trying to do it the same way. We haven’t always succeeded, but I think all the pain we’re going through this year is going to hold us in good stead.”

Spurs have conceded 14 goals from set-pieces in the league this season, including two against Arsenal, but Postecoglou has repeatedly insisted he is not concerned by his team’s dead-ball defending.

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“Not in the least [bit concerned],” he said. “I get it, it’s not an answer [that people want]. To quote Billy Joel, ‘You may be right, I may be crazy, but it’s maybe a lunatic you’re looking for’.

“I’m just not interested in it. I never have been.

“This is not the first time I’ve been questioned about set-pieces in my coaching career. There is an underlying reason for that which I’m very, very comfortable with.

“Eventually I will create a team that has success and it won’t be because of working on set-pieces.”
 
It's a clear explanation of the situation. And it gives a clear understanding of the evolution that needs to take place. Fire the permanent non-believers who are not flexible thinkers. It is the same in any organization.
How do you make believers out of non-believers who are living it day by day, living the results and disappointments - and the 'successes' of course, week by week, and game by game - or do you just keep churning until you have enough nodding dogs?

If that's the case, next season isn't going to be the one we all hope for.
 
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How do you make believers out of non-believers who are living it day by day, living the results and disappointments - and the 'successes' of course, week by week, and game by game - or do you just keep churning until you have enough nodding dogs?

If that's the case, next season isn't going to be the one we all hope for.

In the same way you achieve permanent change and success in any organization. Perseverance and upgrades. A believer does not have to be a nodding dog in any way shape or form. They just have to think the ultimate goal is worthy.

And therein lies the problem. The traditionalists

We cannot beat the best in the world by doing what they are doing. Especially with our current reputation. We have to do it differently.

And as we have seen, it can work. And until we have a deep enough squad to maintain the necessary levels this way of playing requires we will have aberrant results.
 
In the same way you achieve permanent change and success in any organization. Perseverance and upgrades. A believer does not have to be a nodding dog in any way shape or form. They just have to think the ultimate goal is worthy.

And therein lies the problem. The traditionalists

We cannot beat the best in the world by doing what they are doing. Especially with our current reputation. We have to do it differently.

And as we have seen, it can work. And until we have a deep enough squad to maintain the necessary levels this way of playing requires we will have aberrant results.
You're working well today.

Love the positivity....

Madness is....(finish this phrase)...
 
Players are not stupid, they have been brought up learning the games and tactics

If a large number of them think it's not going to work, it's not going to work
 
Ange seems to believe that that he needs to take a direct unflinching line to his objective, irrespective of the capacity of his squad to execute. He has sacrificed points, cup runs and league position on that altar. Fair enough for season one of his tenure but that won't wash for a second. He must have a good start as he hasn't demonstrated continuous improvement
 
The thing is that we all want Angeball to be successful. What's not to like about high energy attacking football? And it can work of course if deployed judiciously with regard to flow of the game and the strength of the opposition. It's not in most players' DNA to knock themselves out for 60 minutes and want to be subbed. This is the PL. The rest don't sit back and accept defeat. They counter and our lot need different strategies to cope and go again.
 
I for one am not in the Angie out brigade! I really hope that he is given the funds this TW coming and that he is with us next season!

Then and only then will I set about him! if it is not looking quite right.

The old saying must come into play here....you are never to old to learn.

If memory serves me correct a certain AF came from a Sweaty Sock team, it took him 5 years to find success and the rest is history.
 
I'm happy to see Ange get another full season but it must come with changes starting with bringing in better coaches, we've allowed sentimentality to cloud the issue with Mason. Our transfer teams need to work hard to clear out much of the long standing senior squad and replace with new blood that has better characteristics.
 
Ange seems to believe that that he needs to take a direct unflinching line to his objective, irrespective of the capacity of his squad to execute. He has sacrificed points, cup runs and league position on that altar. Fair enough for season one of his tenure but that won't wash for a second. He must have a good start as he hasn't demonstrated continuous improvement
It strikes me he is still trying to win over those who do not believe in his approach; as of now we are a disunited squad and team, he has to fix that, no one else can, it's down to him.
 
I for one am not in the Angie out brigade! I really hope that he is given the funds this TW coming and that he is with us next season!

Then and only then will I set about him! if it is not looking quite right.

The old saying must come into play here....you are never to old to learn.

If memory serves me correct a certain AF came from a Sweaty Sock team, it took him 5 years to find success and the rest is history.
This is where i am at the moment. He needs to pull his socks up and show some proper management but he is nowhere near the door yet.