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Niall D said:
And if a blue card stops the likes of Bruno, Grealish, etc whinging all the time at a Ref I'm all for it...
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A yellow would do the same thing, but ref's are too soft - that's the real issue.

I won't say who said it now, but a top ref was doing a presentation and made us all aware that they like to stay 'approachable and on friendly terms with the players!!!

He got so much stick from us all, he cut short his presentation.
 
Geofspurs said:
Actually 54, I think a yellow card means quite a lot if used correctly. From the point where a player gets a yellow card they have to adapt their game to ensure they don't get another one. That changes the way they play and the rythm of his/her involvement.
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In principle I think you are right Geoff. However much depends on when it is given. When you get someone like Marty Cash perpetually fouling and not being given a card until later in the game it has minimal effect given referees’ reluctance to dish out a second.
As I said much depends on what sins the sin bin is to be used for.
 
👆Get your point Spex, however the yellow has little effect on that actual game, but to send the guy off for a cool off period, actually has an effect on that game, at that time, he could and should therefore have his manager and fellow players on his back to 'keep it zipped', for me, like Gary, I don't see it often used, but could be a great deterrent. Where the punishment actually is meeted out in the game where the offence happened.
 
Niall D said:
👆Get your point Spex, however the yellow has little effect on that actual game, but to send the guy off for a cool off period, actually has an effect on that game, at that time, he could and should therefore have his manager and fellow players on his back to 'keep it zipped', for me, like Gary, I don't see it often used, but could be a great deterrent. Where the punishment actually is meeted out in the game where the offence happened.
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The point is, one early yellow and they stop doing it. As you accumulate yellows, you get a ban - I'd prefer the threshold to be lowered - as that would be a real deterrent.

Instead of 5 yellow cards in the first 19 games, and then missing a game, I'd bring it down to 3 and if you pick up two reds because of this you start receiving 2 match bans instead of one - my way would kill all this nonsense stone dead without the need for a new card.

Once a player isn't available for selection in a few games, he'll soon realise the consequences for undermining his team in the game he now can't play in.

The whole game is about 11 v 11 and the best team win; as a paying fan, I want a full competitive match; if a player takes the piss, verbally or physically, the two yellow cards and they're off.

Good coaches will already start to work on how to reshape their teams for 10 mins, which is far easier than playing the rest of the game with just 10.

It's a nonsense for me. Just recruit and get stronger refs and more painful outcomes for those who abuse the game - it would end in an instant.
 
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Once again... why is diving not something being addressed by all this? How is a player diving not considered disruptive and as frowned upon as a tactical foul? It is literally the attackers equivalent of a tactical foul!
Fans hate diving more than anything in the PL and players like Bruno and Salah have been conning refs for years.

I am in no way against the kick up the arse to football that Mutters wants, but with each decision they have made in the last 3 years, I am more and more convinced that the plan is to simply create MORE contentious moments for the drama that can then be spoken about to death by Sky and the media.
 
Officials are not rigidly following the rules as it is, why would anyone think they will follow a blue card differently. it would simply be yet another rule to be inconsistent about. And we already have enough of those.
 
Sorry folks am not going into detail....but what a load of BOLLOCKS!

Just get the Refs n VAR to do their job's Correctly...very simple!
 
muttley said:
Yep, the elephant in the room is that the current level of officiating is simply not good enough. They can keep changing everything around that elephant, but it is still an elephant.
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Exactly mutters, they can't use the Yellow or Red correctly without adding another bloody colour to make it even more difficult for the dummies! sorry Refs. LOL!

Your a Rugby fan like me...now how many times has an on field Ref shown the Sin Bin card for an incident he did not see, because of their type of VAR?
 
Manager Ange Postecoglou was more blunt in his assessment; “Yeah, bin it, mate,” he told reporters when asked about the introduction of sin bins. “Just bin the whole idea, forget about it. I don’t know why they keep interjecting themselves into the game.”

Dyche also questioned the practicalities of the punishment, like how a sin-binned player would be allowed to keep moving to negate the risk of injury when they return. All of that will come under discussion from within IFAB before its AGM on March 2, held in Loch Lomond, when any changes to football’s laws are formally debated.

“The consistencies of whether it’s enforced or not is one of our biggest challenges,” says Lowthorpe, who has seen all his officials receive specialist training on sin bins, as well as all clubs receiving revised guidelines.

“You have some of our more experienced referees who’d say they can manage the situation and deal with it themselves. Then you’ve got a youngster who thinks it’s best to take action and put someone in the bin for something that wouldn’t have brought the same action the week before. That would be a challenge at all levels, where you find that consistency.

“The challenge for the top end of the game is where they set the bar and how consistent they can be, so players know exactly what constitutes dissent. You’d see referees spending a lot of time in clubs explaining to players to ensure there’s no doubt what will happen.”
 
Pompey Yid said:
Exactly mutters, they can't use the Yellow or Red correctly without adding another bloody colour to make it even more difficult for the dummies! sorry Refs. LOL!

Your a Rugby fan like me...now how many times has an on field Ref shown the Sin Bin card for an incident he did not see, because of their type of VAR?
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Don't get me started.

A substitution at rugby is a player running off whilst a player running on. No thought on anyone's part for time wasting.

An injury is the physio coming on the pitch to administer treatment whilst the game continues. The whistle only goes if the play gets too close. Footballers would deliberately take the ball to the injured players area to waste time. Rugby players move the ball around so they don't impact the injury.

Every rugby player knows to retreat 10 yards as soon as that offence is awarded. They know the consequence of not doing it.

All these football stakeholders think they have some sort of superiority over rugby. In reality, they are leap years behind rugby in class and culture.
 
Pompey Yid said:
Sorry folks am not going into detail....but what a load of BOLLOCKS!

Just get the Refs n VAR to do their job's Correctly...very simple!
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If I was a ref I would want to do so without VAR and be right and sometimes wrong but what I say goes...end of....crowd and fans can go back to discussing the iffy decisions - FROM THEIR viewpoint as was always the case...conjecture made the game .............the powers that be have poked their grubby fingers into the pot......those in power always think they need to justify their existence by making changes......why did they just not leave the game as we all knew and loved it ....all this waiting for decisions and stoppages and games now lasting towards 1 hour 45 mins plus....in old days we would have all missed our trains home if the game latest over 90 mins....refs used to be strong (in the main) and not tolerate the nonesense that goes on now. Even in 'old days' hard men like Dave Mackay, Bremner, Ron Harris Denis Wise to name but a few respected the ref as they knew when they overstepped the mark in say a lunging tackle ...and they accepted in the main from the man with the whistle....money has ruined what is in the scheme of things JUST a SPORT FFS....

Do you detect I am wanting to live in the past guys....:loser:
 
muttley said:
Don't get me started.

A substitution at rugby is a player running off whilst a player running on. No thought on anyone's part for time wasting.

An injury is the physio coming on the pitch to administer treatment whilst the game continues. The whistle only goes if the play gets too close. Footballers would deliberately take the ball to the injured players area to waste time. Rugby players move the ball around so they don't impact the injury.

Every rugby player knows to retreat 10 yards as soon as that offence is awarded. They know the consequence of not doing it.

All these football stakeholders think they have some sort of superiority over rugby. In reality, they are leap years behind rugby in class and culture.
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100% agreement there Mutters. COYS
 
Greavswasthegreatest said:
If I was a ref I would want to do so without VAR and be right and sometimes wrong but what I say goes...end of....crowd and fans can go back to discussing the iffy decisions - FROM THEIR viewpoint as was always the case...conjecture made the game .............the powers that be have poked their grubby fingers into the pot......those in power always think they need to justify their existence by making changes......why did they just not leave the game as we all knew and loved it ....all this waiting for decisions and stoppages and games now lasting towards 1 hour 45 mins plus....in old days we would have all missed our trains home if the game latest over 90 mins....refs used to be strong (in the main) and not tolerate the nonesense that goes on now. Even in 'old days' hard men like Dave Mackay, Bremner, Ron Harris Denis Wise to name but a few respected the ref as they knew when they overstepped the mark in say a lunging tackle ...and they accepted in the main from the man with the whistle....money has ruined what is in the scheme of things JUST a SPORT FFS....

Do you detect I am wanting to live in the past guys....:loser:
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Whether your wanting the past or not Greavsie, the old way is far superior to todays shite!
To be honest mate, I think we enjoyed the game more! COYS
 
Gary Onedaysoon said:
It's the deterrent effect that will be the blue card's real asset.

After a period of adjustment managers and players will come to the conclusion that the punishment of a blue card far outweighs the advantage of the offence committed and they will alter their behaviour accordingly. So we should see an improvement in the game with relatively few blue cards actually being issued.

The yellow card operation simply doesn't have this efficacy.
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The yellow card has that same effect though if it is applied correctly. How often is there a foul that everyone knows is a tactical foul yet only a free kick is given? If the refs gave that as a yellow then players would be on tight ropes for the rest of the game thus having the desired effect of cutting it out.

Plus, if this is introduced just imagine how bad those 10mins of football is going to be. Constant injuries. Constant slowing the game down. There's going to be more arguments about how the 10mins is counted than there is about the initial infringement.

It'll be a farce that adds another layer of complication for refs who are already struggling to understand and apply the rules as it is
 
Personally, I think that even rugby has got it wrong. Our great Irish win in France last week was against 14 men for much of the match, which lessens the kudos of it. Whilst I understand the obvious need to take head shots out of the game, it smacks of using a sledgehammer to crack a nut....if you'll excuse the pun.
 
meee93 said:
The yellow card has that same effect though if it is applied correctly. How often is there a foul that everyone knows is a tactical foul yet only a free kick is given? If the refs gave that as a yellow then players would be on tight ropes for the rest of the game thus having the desired effect of cutting it out.

Plus, if this is introduced just imagine how bad those 10mins of football is going to be. Constant injuries. Constant slowing the game down. There's going to be more arguments about how the 10mins is counted than there is about the initial infringement.

It'll be a farce that adds another layer of complication for refs who are already struggling to understand and apply the rules as it is
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Love totty said:
Personally, I think that even rugby has got it wrong. Our great Irish win in France last week was against 14 men for much of the match, which lessens the kudos of it. Whilst I understand the obvious need to take head shots out of the game, it smacks of using a sledgehammer to crack a nut....if you'll excuse the pun.
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And that's my point, we fans want to see full bloodied 11 v 11 games in football; there could easily be games where after a melee we may even be watching 9 v 9 - their meddling will kill is game as a spectacle, if it hasn't already.
 
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