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radfordinlondon said:
Not for the first time, think Paz is right. You can hardly describe brexit as a working class campaign. Started by an ex city banker and (not) finished by an eton twat.

Hardly socialism at work imo people dont want to hear it but da fuq is right when he points it was the Lexits that swung it and facilitated this most tory of projects.
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You're obviously another one who has no idea why the 'traditional' or 'socialist' left (not the new liberal left) voted to leave the EU.
 
paz1967 said:
Brexit seems a Tory thing on every level so supporting one is empowering the other, so its a bit difficult to come across as left wing if you voted Brexit, therefore a natural assumption, even if incorrect because of the voters mixed up views haha
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Yeah, that's pretty much bollocks.

Tony Benn, Dennis Skinner, Jeremy Corbyn and that's just of the top of my nut.

Both right wing and left wing have an inherent distrust of the EU, but for very different reasons.
 
Strett said:
Yeah, that's pretty much bollocks.

Tony Benn Dennis, Skinner, Jeremy Corbyn and that's just of the top of my nut.

Both right wing and left wing have an inherent distrust of the EU, but for very different reasons.
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There isn't a single high-profile socialist that would've/did vote to remain - Crow, Foot, Galloway, Castle, Shaw, Ali, etc, etc to add to the ones already mentioned.
 
JC21 said:
You're obviously another one who has no idea why the 'traditional' or 'socialist' left (not the new liberal left) voted to leave the EU.
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I understand all right but profoundly disagree. Brexit was and remains the antithesis of socialism. Those lefts that voted for it sold the rest of their communities out and all for nothing. Working class people are now worse off than before. Moreover this small rump has destroyed the labour party and with it,any chance of a more decent govt. Im sure most extreme lefts feel happy about this but the fact is this group are utterly useless for man or beast and have made it that much easier for multi nationals to take the piss.

Remains the single largest act of self harm in history.
 
Strett said:
Yeah, that's pretty much bollocks.

Tony Benn, Dennis Skinner, Jeremy Corbyn and that's just of the top of my nut.

Both right wing and left wing have an inherent distrust of the EU, but for very different reasons.
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U do make me laugh, high profile socialists like dennis skinner and silver spoon in mouth benn! Corbyn offically was against brexit and the other two have not been anywhere near the top table for about 40 years ffs
 
JC21 said:
There isn't a single high-profile socialist that would've/did vote to remain - Crow, Foot, Galloway, Castle, Shaw, Ali, etc, etc to add to the ones already mentioned.
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None of these people are high profile or have any real influence, in fact fairly sure some of them are dead crow, castle.

Do you and strett both enjoying living in the 20th century, are you aware of anything that has happened since?

Thought not.
 
radfordinlondon said:
U do make me laugh, high profile socialists like dennis skinner and silver spoon in mouth benn! Corbyn offically was against brexit and the other two have not been anywhere near the top table for about 40 years ffs
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I think you mean Corbyn was 'officially'. Just answer this mate. WHO do you see as a socialist?
 
radfordinlondon said:
None of these people are high profile or have any real influence, in fact fairly sure some of them are dead crow, castle.

Do you and strett both enjoying living in the 20th century, are you aware of anything that has happened since?

Thought not.
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I know some are dead, that's why I put "would've" but the ones named are/were socialists. Eddie Izzard and the like are not socialists
 
radfordinlondon said:
As a counter balance you do remember the labour party members overwhelmingly voted against brexit in their thousands, hence the reason magic grandpa had to be officially remain. I am assuming the 500* socialist workers voted brexit.

*probably an over estimation
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But the majority of the LP aren't socialists
 
JC21 said:
I see now, it's your misunderstanding of socialism that's the problem here.
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As a one time university lecturer in the subject, i would suggest not. Indeed i would suggest that all those lefts who voted brexit should hold up their hands and admit they got it wrong. It happens and i do get the multinationals need curbing but trying to do this solo is sheer folly based on historical precedence.

If i was being disingenuous I would say the lexits got played. Having played their part to secure brexit are we any more 'safe' from multinational piss taking? No, we are not, we are more vulnerable as per the india and australia trade deals show.

If there is a misunderstanding here then it is surely lexit goals, what were you hoping to achieve and do you think you have been successful?
 
So when you were lecturing, if someone asked you "what is socialism?", you'd have replied "prioritising working together to achieve social aims"?
 
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