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You've all got it all wrong. On 5Live a Trump supporter said it was Antifa who turned up in a bus dressed as Trump supporters who broke in. They did it to make Trump and his supporters look bad. She said she'd heard reports of this. It wasn't Trump supporters.

So there you have it.

Nice to see our media giving giving voice to this in the name of free speech and equivalence.
 
I think the main problem is that even from a young age Trump has been surrounded by yes men. During his business years he has been able to say and do whatever he likes. The only consequences being a few million lost on a bad business deal, which, when you are fabulously wealthy matters not one jot.
Now, he has surrounded himself with the same as president and obviously anything he has said or done in the last 4 years has wider consequences. Outside of him and his own little sycophantic gang.
He should be ashamed of himself. Tbh if anything good comes out of this, hopefully it is that he may have tainted himself for the 2024 election which he was so obviously going to run for.
 
It will be interesting to see how this decision by Trump to attack democracy pans out.The Republican party itself has to be under scrutiny if the majority of them still back President Trump.A black day for democracy for sure .But it is time for the Republican party to step up and condemn their President to history. Trump has made it clear he will not stop fighting. For me that is very clear. The question is are the Republican party going to fight with him against this result?Or do they stand up and banish Donald Trump to the history books ?
 
Gills 58 said:
You've all got it all wrong. On 5Live a Trump supporter said it was Antifa who turned up in a bus dressed as Trump supporters who broke in. They did it to make Trump and his supporters look bad. She said she'd heard reports of this. It wasn't Trump supporters.

So there you have it.

Nice to see our media giving giving voice to this in the name of free speech and equivalence.
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Sounds like the BLM riots where right wing agitators were blamed!
 
It`ll be interesting to get Jokerman`s take on all this.

A few hundred or a few thousand extremist idiots storming the Capitol building cannot, surely, be a valid representation of the 74 million people that voted Trump into the Oval Office.

A concern might be : what does the fact that 74 million Americans voted for Donald Trump say about the alternative presidential contenders and politics in the USA in general ?

When the so called Beacon of Democracy drops into such a confused and divisive hole the rest of the world should be worried.

I need some reassurance from the Guv`nor.
 
The whole voting process in the "world's second largest democracy" is a joke. They just cannot seem to organise an efficient process where every state has exactly the same rules. Also, like here, the change of power should be immediate, not 2 months later.
 
IMO this is what happens if a country mentions liberty or freedom in every other sentence but doesn't educate enough people as to what that actually means.

Hopefully the social media giants follow through and take him off their platforms. Social media is a dangerous game at the moment and a far cry from what made it popular originally.
 
LockdownLife said:
IMO this is what happens if a country mentions liberty or freedom in every other sentence but doesn't educate enough people as to what that actually means.

Hopefully the social media giants follow through and take him off their platforms. Social media is a dangerous game at the moment and a far cry from what made it popular originally.
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Is silencing people the answer ?
Would it not reinforce what 75 million Trumph voters believe already ?
 
LockdownLife said:
Hopefully the social media giants follow through and take him off their platforms. Social media is a dangerous game at the moment and a far cry from what made it popular originally.
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Trump certainly says some absurd and stupid things on Twitter etc., but do we have faith that multi-millionaire un-elected social media arbiters have moral high ground sufficient to actually silence the POTUS ? I don`t trust many politicians; I don`t trust any social media moguls.
 
valenciagill said:
Is silencing people the answer ?
Would it not reinforce what 75 million Trumph voters believe already ?
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From watching some videos of the people at the riot yesterday talk they came across people without the intelligence to come of with these theories alone. It was just blind spouting of what Trump says.

Therefore remove some of their access to Trump and they'll get bored and move on.
 
LockdownLife said:
From watching some videos of the people at the riot yesterday talk they came across people without the intelligence to come of with these theories alone. It was just blind spouting of what Trump says.

Therefore remove some of their access to Trump and they'll get bored and move on.
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But removing mainstream access to the POTUS is a tad draconian, no matter how much of a dick people think he is; why not be satisfied with ensuring there are alternatives ? Levels of intelligence should not be a factor in deciding a person`s right to make a political choice, that would be a very unhealthy road to tread. .
 
This is now bigger than Trump it is about American democracy. Where does the Republican party stand Trump is almost certainly history when it comes to democratic office as a result of these actions. If the party stand by him then they are standing up against democracy unless they can prove in a court of law that the vote was unsafe I can see no way they can continue to back Donald Trump.
 
LancsGordoRoad said:
But removing mainstream access to the POTUS is a tad draconian, no matter how much of a dick people think he is; why not be satisfied with ensuring there are alternatives ? Levels of intelligence should not be a factor in deciding a person`s right to make a political choice, that would be a very unhealthy road to tread. .
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He's now at the point where I'd argue he's inciting, at best, serious civil unrest and at worst violence. If it wasn't politics but other ideologies he'd be banned.

On social media its becoming too easy for people to whip themselves into a frenzy. Meetings of groups of people in person would be shut down if they behaved how people behave on social media.

Clearly intelligence should not change someone's right to make a political choice. But equally you shouldn't let someone like Trump prey on those desperate for a cause to fight for. Some of these rioters will have probably led fairly 'normal' lives up until about 5 years ago I'm guessing.
 
Donald Trump's strategy all the way along is pretty basic and has been used time and time again by authoritarian leaders when attacking democracy.

All you do is get people to believe that they have been wronged and that they are being lied to. That deomcracy can't be trusted and that, 'the people', have been betrayed.

Trump and his supporters have been muddying the waters for last four years and more. His and their aim has been to create a climate whereby it is difficult to obtain objective truth about anything. Sure, he has been aided by the way in which social media works but the entire, 'fake news', mantra was being peddled for a good reason.

Now he has it, he has the lie about the election fraud and the presidency being stolen from him and, more importantly, a shitload of people who believe the lie and are questioning the US democracy. This is his and America's, 'stab in the back moment'.

Who knows what will happen but it if enough people feel betrayed by democracy that they are willing to act, or even refuse to condemn those who do take action, well then you have the conditions ripe for civil war and dictatorship.

We must hope that the actions last night were an own goal and that support for Trump in the US has fallen massively as a result of what has happened. If not, if he retains the support and people continue to buy the lie and the victimhood then their democracy might be under serious threat.

The next two weeks will be interesting.
 
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