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The Official Dean Smith Thread

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JW1985 said:
We got promoted. Brentford didn't. As for any idiot could have gained promotion with us last season. How come mr promotion specialist couldn't.
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He would have in my opinion. Probably automatically. We'd only lost 2 games we hen he was sacked.

We going to have an argument on supposition now?
 
Sorry Deano, after gutting our defence and overloading on wingers we didn't need?

That is Bruce's main out for me - he was understandably sidetracked by personal life. But there's no way we were getting promotion, equally we wouldn't have been near relegation either. We'd have drawn our way to the end of the season.

It wasn't results that decided Bruce - it was where he was with everything else that happened and it was 100% the right decision even if he still doesn't appreciate it.
 
mike_field said:
What did you expect? The bloke gained promotion when most thought top 10 was a decent finish. We've with a point of safety after a complete overhaul in the summer with plenty of players stepping up to their first experience of the Prem and plenty of others getting used to a new country and a new fucking language.

He's also lost his dad whilst making the adjustment himself.

You thought we'd be challenging for the Champions League this year 18 odd months after effectively going out of business?

I'd forgot we lost the last four games 5-0 and that other teams should roll over because we think we're a big club. We're not, we should be, but we're not. That doesn't change in 5 minutes.

The true disgrace is the abuse, wanting everything now and assuming it's FIFA where you can use a hack to get what you want or restart if you lose.

Bruce didn't deserve the abuse he got, Smith certainly doesn't - but this is the modern world it seems. I forgot an established team looking for the PL having had Europa experience this year and have been together for longer than 5 mins only had one extra shot on target, but actually less chances overall than we did.

Did Wolves have a second gear - yes. Did we, no. But a second gear doesn't mean we wouldn't have won had we took our chances.
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I expected better football and possibly a pleasing style. He fluked promotion so deserved a chance which he has has failed miserably at, which I thought may happen. Of course any personal abuse is shocking and he has had tough times with his dad passing. Bruce steadied the ship and was quite rightly shown the door. Smith should be shown the door now. Oh you say we had chances today, you say we matched a team with far more experience. Reality is today was utter dredge for the whole 90 minutes, we needed to win the game, yet we had a clueless manager and coaching staff. He even took off a striker when we needed a goal, again clueless.
 
There’s some good debate in this thread. I agree with Deano, if we go down we lose 5-6 good players - ironically we only have 5-6 good enough for the prem. That could take us anywhere between 1 year and 3 to get back up, that scares me.

I’m immensely proud of the fact Villa have been an almost ever present in the premiership, but if we go down I think West Ham will have spent more time up here than us (but I need to fact check that).

Two phased approach for me:
Sack Smith, get someone in on a short contract with a multi million pound bonus to try and stay up

Find a longer term manager in the summer window (or what’s left of it)

Priority is staying up, we can figure the rest out later
 
First half of that has me agreeing.

Second half, I never said we matched them - I pointed out chances which proved we went forward but couldn't score in a brothel and they are a team looking for Europe for a second consecutive year and we're looking to avoid the drop by goal difference.

If we could score in a brothel, it was another game we'd have won and we'd be sat here on our computers/phones/tablets talking about getting out of jail.

The decision to sub Davis was pathetic, but the way you phrase that implies Davis has a goal threat!
 
tarzansbrother said:
I expected better football and possibly a pleasing style. He fluked promotion so deserved a chance which he has has failed miserably at, which I thought may happen. Of course any personal abuse is shocking and he has had tough times with his dad passing. Bruce steadied the ship and was quite rightly shown the door. Smith should be shown the door now. Oh you say we had chances today, you say we matched a team with far more experience. Reality is today was utter dredge for the whole 90 minutes, we needed to win the game, yet we had a clueless manager and coaching staff. He even took off a striker when we needed a goal, again clueless.
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I find it naive we thought we could outplay teams with superior quality and still we persist in trying to build up slow play. We’re not good at it, and we dont even have phases in the game we win let alone the game over 90 mins.

Whilst the likes of Man City and Liverpool dominate possession, they aren’t playing sideways or backward passes. It’s control followed by direct pass, and within three passes they can have the ball on the other flank probing.

This is the problem with the huge gap between the leagues - if you win the league playing pretty football like Fulham, you have to play something different to realistically stay up. The days of the likes of Reading winning the championship playing good stuff and coming into the top flight as a top half team automatically are long gone. Obviously Sheff united are an example, but they are organised and work extremely hard.
 
Not clear to me we will lose that many. Grealish 100% goes, probably Luiz as well, I cannot see the other main players we have leaving on account of them not actually having good seasons and the fact we can be robust with valuations. For instance who on earth would pay what we'd want for Mings?
 
I don't even see Luiz going - let's not forget he's flavour of the month since the restart and prior to that it was his goal. Man C won't enact the £30+m buy back on what we've seen so far - and that's not doing down how he's improved.

Spot on Den, isn't Warnock's record more relegations than promotions? Which is incredible given his impressive promotion record lol (and they are usually the same sides!)
 
DS came in at the right time for us. Bruce's team selections were bizarre. DS played the right players in the right positions, and loaning Mings strengthened the defence. Players looked as though they knew what they were doing on the pitch. The difference was stark.

However, one thing Bruce did well on was the quality of his loan signings. That's what DS inherited, and it's what drove that wonderful run through to promotion. Doesn't detract from what DS achieved, but it was the key factor.

Come the PL, and DS had a different challenge, an unavoidable (mainly) rebuilding of the side in an unforgiving environment. A big ask. But managing in the PL is a big ask. Managers are paid to succeed. And it's fallen short.

When Dyche took Burnley up and they were relegated, he was given another chance. But that was because he had largely built a side which could scrape a living in the PL, as well as competing for promotion, and it didn't take many tweaks to make a success of it, to gain promotion and stay up.

Although we have some good players, it's hard to see what sort of signings DS would make which would build a better team, whether we stay up or go down. The glue isn't there, which is the main problem. We need a team which plays better.

I think we need a better quality manager, either way. Even going down I think we can keep most of our best players; the owners are stubborn and don't need to sell if they don't want to. Keeping the players is far better than yet another rebuild. Obvious change is finding a better manager.
 
DeanoVilla said:
Warnock just got a win in his first game as Boro boss..... I'd have taken him. Big Sam the obvious choice now.
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Was a roll of the dice that was worth taking 4 or more games ago, as before lockdown we were sleepwalking to relegation. Said at the time, give a dinosaur a good £ and a massive bonus for keeping us up, making it clear, it is a temporary role. These dinosaurs are a) decent at their job b) have a good ego, one of them would have taken it.

Bit late now, we've seemingly accepted relegation with a whimper but not without some pathetic whinging. 4 games in 11 days is actually 4 games in over 2 months, no way should these athletes not be capable of that, if they have looked after themselves properly. Big ask for at least one of them it seems though.
 
Jack will go and possible one or two others. There is also the fact there is not going to be loads of spare cash about this close season. I also doubt anyone could force our owners to sell players cheap? Especially as it appears ffp is suspended for next season.
 
Luiz will go somewhere like PSG, big money, champions league, 20 odd easy league games per season, a couple of tough ones and some juicy champions league matches.

I bigged up Luiz a lot at the start of the season watching him play (although he let me down a few times) as technically he is levels above anything I have ever seen in that position for us though Gav McCann and Reo Coker gave him some good competition 😄
 
tarzansbrother said:
What rubbish, it’s a big boys game and I’m sure he knows the score. Oh and gets paid handsomely. TBF he isn’t showing us fans respect with the shyte he has served up since promotion
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Agreed, looks a bit boo hoo to me and I haven't seen many nods, from the lifelong Villa fan, towards the brilliant fans either.

Sick of these failures to be honest, and their stupidity... and the stupidity of those who hire these dour characters. In fact, I might just be sick of the lot!
 
Clear in my mind, we sacked Bruce prematurely, the abuse certain fans gave him was disgraceful. Bruce is a few notches above Smith and was the horse to back.
Let's not fuck the next appointment up please
 
mike_field said:
Deano get the wine out mate. I think I'd give up completely on football/Villa if we appointed someone of that ilk - and in my case that means quitting my job. We have to aim higher and surely we can aim higher.
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HIgher than a man whose cv says Brentford and Walsall perhaps.

Warnock or his ilk, I believe Deano means, as a last gasp to try to do what Smith has been incapable of doing.

Too late now though.

It isn't the losing - all this season for me, you all know I wasn't impressed from the get go and a good few of you gave me pelters when I said we;d done a Fulham - it is the lack of spirit and fight.

A lot said we were learning on the job, there is NO time to do that in the PL, not for managers or players. This is Aston Villa, we aren't meant to be run like a tin pot 2nd division or yo yo club.

Go fucking learn somewhere else, somewhere I don't care about, come here when you are capable.

But did they learn? We've got worse through the season, at least at the start, despite poor results, there was a little bit of bite.

Too many are accepting mediocrity far too readily. I don't, never will.
 
The Fear said:
Was a roll of the dice that was worth taking 4 or more games ago, as before lockdown we were sleepwalking to relegation. Said at the time, give a dinosaur a good £ and a massive bonus for keeping us up, making it clear, it is a temporary role. These dinosaurs are a) decent at their job b) have a good ego, one of them would have taken it.

Bit late now, we've seemingly accepted relegation with a whimper but not without some pathetic whinging. 4 games in 11 days is actually 4 games in over 2 months, no way should these athletes not be capable of that, if they have looked after themselves properly. Big ask for at least one of them it seems though.
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Disagree dude. They aren't invested, they get the cash anyway and it's not even kudos - and that's ignoring the fact we are then months backwards on a proper manager getting systems in place and completely back at square one, looking to rebuild further in the top flight - and we've seen how that goes this season.

Sorry again, 4 games in 11 days is not 4 games over 2 months - come on JF, you know fitness, recovery, that's trite. And what, DS is the only manager pointing out how shitting the calendar is (and how it favours the big sides) just so the PL can chase the broadcasters money.

The only thing you could put money on this year was relegation or survival by the skin of our teeth after last summer - that's where I've sat but we really are blaming based on unreal expectations now it seems.

The expectations are correct - but an expectation is the future, too many are forgetting the now.
 
Old Trinity Villan said:
Jack will go and possible one or two others. There is also the fact there is not going to be loads of spare cash about this close season. I also doubt anyone could force our owners to sell players cheap? Especially as it appears ffp is suspended for next season.
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FFP is suspended by UEFA until the summer of 2021. That helps us, regardless....but it would've been nice to know in January! lol
 
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