Post Brexit (n/g)

[Gills77]

What proportion of people that voted to remain and still believe that to be the case do you think have ever painted an EU flag on their face?

If you think you’re having a conversation with those sorts any time someone challenges the success of Brexit it’s no wonder you come across as being so entrenched and obtuse.

I didn't say all people who voted Remain in 2016. I was referring to the vocal ones still whining about Brexit today. Most are far-left.

 

[shotshy]

I didn't say all people who voted Remain in 2016. I was referring to the vocal ones still whining about Brexit today. Most are far-left.

Actually mate, most seem to be disenchanted ex Tory voters.
I personally know quite a few who haven’t and cannot ever accept that their view wasn’t what the majority wanted.
In reality, it was traditional northern Labour voters that swung it.
The metropolitan labour voters were definitely anti brexit but their traditional heartland that voted Johnson at the last election (red wall) disagreed.

 

[Gills77]

Nope. Brexit was people sticking two fingers up at the establishment and believing plain lies from the out campaign.

Otherwise known as the working class!!!

Nothing to do with class even if you want to paint it that way. I’m not going to bother with your left-wing part because I really really can’t be bothered. But, I’ll remind you of ‘project fear’ and the reality of the actual situation we find ourselves in now.

Can you explain how you isolate the effects of Ukraine and Covid from the current situation? Love to know.

 

[Gills77]

Actually mate, most seem to be disenchanted ex Tory voters.
I personally know quite a few who haven’t and cannot ever accept that their view wasn’t what the majority wanted.
In reality, it was traditional northern Labour voters that swung it.
The metropolitan labour voters were definitely anti brexit but their traditional heartland that voted Johnson at the last election (red wall) disagreed.

I'm thinking of those on Twitter with FPBE or whatever it is on their profiles.

And the ones who kept protesting etc.

 

[Gills77]

Nope. Brexit was people sticking two fingers up at the establishment and believing plain lies from the out campaign.

Are you liberallly-minded?

 

[PuB]

Otherwise known as the working class!!!


Can you explain how you isolate the effects of Ukraine and Covid from the current situation? Love to know.

I don’t agree with your first statement.

Covid and Ukraine happened after Brexit. None of our elected government knew what to do about it before, and they’ve certainly proven themselves not to know what to do now.

But then there are certain people around who want to shout about ECHR and how it’s their fault they didn’t get the Brexit they wanted.

 

[Gills77]

I don’t agree with your first statement.

Covid and Ukraine happened after Brexit. None of our elected government knew what to do about it before, and they’ve certainly proven themselves not to know what to do now.

But then there are certain people around who want to shout about ECHR and how it’s their fault they didn’t get the Brexit they wanted.

I completely agree RE politicians.

The ECHR needs to be edited (but won't happen, so copied and replaced) to fix the issues with Human Rights of criminals and illegal immigrants.

Same with the (is it UN?) treaty we signed on asylum in the 1950s. We need to withdraw from that. If someone arrives on our shores we need to be legally allowed to send them packing if we choose.

 

[PuB]

I completely agree RE politicians.

The ECHR needs to be edited (but won't happen, so copied and replaced) to fix the issues with Human Rights of criminals and illegal immigrants.

Same with the (is it UN?) treaty we signed on asylum in the 1950s. We need to withdraw from that. If someone arrives on our shores we need to be legally allowed to send them packing if we choose.

Lol.

Ok

 

[Gills77]

Lol.

Ok

I'm not really sure what's funny?

The ECHR has stopped some people from going to prison because it would affect their family's lives. Happened a few years ago.

I believe it has already stopped some deportations, or it could stop them.

I don't see any valid reason why it should?

Replace it with an identical document with those parts removed.

The UN treaty is completely outdated now and was designed for refugees fleeing world wars, not economic migrants.

 

[PuB]

I'm not really sure what's funny?

The ECHR has stopped some people from going to prison because it would affect their family's lives. Happened a few years ago.

I believe it has already stopped some deportations, or it could stop them.

I don't see any valid reason why it should?

Replace it with an identical document with those parts removed.

The UN treaty is completely outdated now and was designed for refugees fleeing world wars, not economic migrants.

You’re either a Russian bot or spend too much time watching Russia Today.

Brexit was great, now leave the ECHR and the UN.

Next up is NATO isn’t it

 

[mehmets_curlies]

Agreeing to a rule which explicitly states you cannot 100% control something does not mean you 100% control it.

That's rather obvious.

I suggest you look up the definition of "control".

Keep scraping.

Not scraping at all. We'll have to agree to disagree. It's all moot anyway.

 

[Gills77]

You’re either a Russian bot or spend too much time watching Russia Today.

Brexit was great, now leave the ECHR and the UN.

Next up is NATO isn’t it

Reading isn't your strong point I take it?

I said replace the ECHR with an identical document with the silly clauses removed. Unless you're an illegal or a criminal trying to avoid prison you've nothing to fear?

And I didn't say leave the UN. I said ignore the UN treaty on refugees.

If you're going to respond, read properly.

And, don't just write sensationalist nonsense. Provide reasoning.

Calling me a Russian bot whilst you can't even substantiate anything you say makes you look.....

 

[Archiepoptart]

Ok I'll bite, though I've got to say thoroughly enjoyed the pathetic defense of the indefensible.
Which particular parts of the ECHR do you have a problem with since you obviously refer to it every day in your work and know it backwards. How would you change it to make it work better for the citizens of Europe?

 

[Vambogills]

Ok I'll bite, though I've got to say thoroughly enjoyed the pathetic defense of the indefensible.
Which particular parts of the ECHR do you have a problem with since you obviously refer to it every day in your work and know it backwards. How would you change it to make it work better for the citizens of Europe?

Take out the silly bits. Apart from the other silly bits and a few questionable silly bits it should be fine then.
Just hope the countries we are hoping to work with dont remove the silly bits they don't like and refuse to have anything to do with us.
It's all got a bit silly now.

 

[LancsGordoRoad]

Does name-calling in politics frequently have the opposite of its intended effect or does it have no bearing whatsoever on who receives invitations to birthday parties ?

 

[Therealwaldo]

Actually mate, most seem to be disenchanted ex Tory voters.
I personally know quite a few who haven’t and cannot ever accept that their view wasn’t what the majority wanted.
In reality, it was traditional northern Labour voters that swung it.
The metropolitan labour voters were definitely anti brexit but their traditional heartland that voted Johnson at the last election (red wall) disagreed.

Somehow northern Labour voters were persuaded that membership of the EU was the seat of all their problems. 8 years on its become clear that the problems lie much closer to home in Westminster.

 

[Breckland]

Deeply ironic that those areas most heavily in favour of Leave ( for example Sunderland, Boston, Kings Lynn ) have been among the biggest losers of EU grants and development aid. In the latter two cases they have also seen their influx of non Europen immigrants surge as local farmers and other employers look to replace cheap labour sources.

 

[mehmets_curlies]

Deeply ironic that those areas most heavily in favour of Leave ( for example Sunderland, Boston, Kings Lynn ) have been among the biggest losers of EU grants and development aid. In the latter two cases they have also seen their influx of non Europen immigrants surge as local farmers and other employers look to replace cheap labour sources.

The NFU, at the time, advised their members to vote remain

 

[ThreeSixes]

Deeply ironic that those areas most heavily in favour of Leave ( for example Sunderland, Boston, Kings Lynn ) have been among the biggest losers of EU grants and development aid. In the latter two cases they have also seen their influx of non Europen immigrants surge as local farmers and other employers look to replace cheap labour sources.

Rather than import cheap labour sources, they should try and employ some of the people that are already here.

The farm near where my kids live has 10 visible static caravans on site. It is little more than slave labour, requiring workers to live on site (and get charged for it out of their wages), so they have no opportunity to work elsewhere.

I am shocked that this practice seems to be supported by socialists on this site.

 

[shotshy]

The NFU, at the time, advised their members to vote remain

Every institution advised everybody to vote remain
Our government even spent millions of taxpayer money on leaflets to every house to convince everyone to vote remain.
Everyone expected a vote to remain.
Even the official leave campaign expected a vote to remain.
Even Farridge, who’d campaigned for decades to leave expected a vote to remain.