For that CK we would have to lose the poor Norwich tag - the question is - can that be effectively lost with a consistent say 3 years of the Man C type reuslts and in the top half if not the top 8 or even 6 of the Prem?. One year in Europe didnt do it. Or will long term history hang over us forever. Villa have been down and out, so have Newcastle, but they seem to have an "always a top club" no matter what division they play in, it feels like its a "oh well they're going through hard times but will bounce back and we'll be waiting for them with open arms and praise" as opposed to Norwich who are "yawn - they back in the Prem again - how amazing - dont bother too much with them, they'll be back down again quick;y and resume the little club they are in the lower divisions". We have to prove we are to be looked at with a higher favour but that is going to be soooo hard - com sar MOTD2 comments elswhere on here - don't think it will be quick somehow, but its deserved and about time the knockers sat up and were forced to accede to us.