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The Politics Thread

India/Pakistan, N.Cyprus / S. Cyprus, N.Ireland/S. Ireland. Our foreign policy has a history of divide and rule.
Syria, Libya,etc, etc, etc.

A Northern Ireland terrorist to some is a freedom fighter to others.
Ask yourself whether if you were in the same position of being invaded, another country's foreign policy having similar effects on your country whether you'd sit back and say meh, or whether you'd support direct action???????

It could be said that Corbyn was ahead of the times with the likes of Jerry Adams no longer on the outside looking in.

Corbyn is just trying to get Labour back to its roots and away from the new labour (alternative Tory party). Love him or loathe him, there's very few politicians with integrity around, and he is one.
 
There are times when like it or not you just have to face reality, Corbyn may excite the majority of half a million
labour hard core left,but that will not win a majority in a general election,the lesson has been spelled out time after time the latest being Ed Miliband who was wiped out for those of you who forget at the last election you cannot change a centre right electorate to Corbyns way of thinking it is just not going to happen if you never learn from your mistakes you will just keep repeating them.
 
That's how I view it also Merlin.

You have to be able to lead a party, not just a membership ... lets be honest, 100 000 or 500 000, it's trifling compared to the millions you have to pursuade at a general election.

I want an alternative to the Tories, I want strong opposition, you need it with them in power (you need it full stop)... he's not a leader, he's a protest politician.

Not sure Maggie and him were the same ilk BBJ conviction wise. I never saw her as a protest politician, she wanted the top job, she wanted to be PM, she just so happened to be the devil as well ! :177:

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Fear, obviously Maggie was power-mad but anything she did, she truly always believed she was right. She couldn't even begin to spell the word pragmatic. That's what I meant by her being a conviction politician. (Hitler was also a conviction politician, by the way.)
 
The Fear - 22/7/2016 13:57

You have to be able to lead a party, not just a membership ... lets be honest, 100 000 or 500 000, it's trifling compared to the millions you have to pursuade at a general election.
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Absolutely, Labour lost under a fairly centrist leader because people felt he was too left wing and they reacted by handing the leadership to Wolfie.

Politics is shifting hugely. The Labour membership is dominated by London-dwelling middle class types who are so far removed the the origin of the Party to make it unrecognisable.

And the new Government front bench being made up of less public school kids than any cabinet since 1945 drives yet another stake into Labour's chest.

Blair, for whatever faults he had, realised the UK is a soft right of centre country and worked to mould the Party to recognise that.

I would say Labour members need to decide whether they want to be a Party of Government or a pressure group. Problem is, too many of their members are well-off enough for that question to not matter and they'll let Wolfie continue.

The next UKIP leader, whoever it will be, will undoubtedly go after Labour votes in the North. Conservative membership, while not reported and I can't give details, is soaring. If there were a General Election tomorrow, Labour could be routed to the extent they basically only hang on to metropolitan areas full of the wealthy, liberal elite.
 
Wolfie :3:

And yes, Blair until the war which has totally messed up his legacy, knew how to direct and stage a political party to get the votes for sure.

It's a fascinating time.
 
So how low can Corbyn take them?

@ICMResearch: @Conservatives 43% @UKLabour 27% @LibDems 8% @UKIP 13% @theSNP 4% @TheGreenParty 4% @Plaid_Cymru
 
The Liberals, with a strong leader, should be taking most of Labours centre left votes now. They really, I think, could have been the second party.

So sad to see the fruitcakes of UKIP area ahead of the Libs.

But the Liberals leader now, Tim Farron, nice as he appears to be, just is not a strong confident leader in my humble. I'm also not that keen on people so openly religious being the leaders but that is a personal thing!
 
I see Corbyn has won the right to be on the labour party election without the usual 51 nominee''s. It maybe legal however he is doing his party a complete disservice. He has certainly shown his true colours in the last year. The worst part is there is no viable opposition has JF said

http://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-wins-high-court-leadership-fight-10515231
 
kefkat - 28/7/2016 15:26

I see Corbyn has won the right to be on the labour party election without the usual 51 nominee''s. It maybe legal however he is doing his party a complete disservice. He has certainly shown his true colours in the last year. The worst part is there is no viable opposition has JF said

http://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-wins-high-court-leadership-fight-10515231
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Yes, it's now getting ludicrous.

Sure, he can get lots of people to rallies but if they are the only ones who will ever back him, it's not enough. Nowhere near.

I'm half convinced the Labour Party is basically dead with him as leader. And that isn't good for anyone.

In many ways I should be happy but the only way you get good Government is by having strong opposition. There is currently no sign of that.
 
He wants a protest party, he's no leader of an opposition though, let alone leader of the party in power.

He's a ridiculous man from all that I can see. He goes on about the 500 000 in Labour, what about the millions who vote?!
 
Big face palm regarding Corbyn's latest faux pas;

Virgin challenges Jeremy Corbyn train footage
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37167700

I'm sure they all do it, but they don't get caught out doing it.
 
A politician lying?

Surely not.

This could turn the world on it's head.

I think he's a fraud personally. Been bleating on for years against his own party. Join a different party you fool.
 
the video was laughable anyway, look at me, I am one of you. No, you're not one of me, I'd not share a stage with Hamas, Hezbollah or share a photo opportunity with Sinn Fein during the troubles (whilst not part of the peace process, of course Major and then Blair had to sit and talk with them)... That goes for the fake John McDonnell as well.

I worry about politics at the moment, when the tories are in power, you need a strong opposition, even some tories will say they need a strong opposition, this bloke harks on about a 500 000 membership. Not all are there for him, but 500k is not an electorate, he's always wanted a protest party because he's always protested against his own party. Now he has one, a very split one.

Sadly his opponent in the leadership campaign isn't very strong so they are buggered.

I'd have loved Alan Johnson to run (before this) but I can't say I blame him deciding against the hassle!
 
We saw all this before the last time a combination of the Socialist Workers Party and any other extreme left wing
ideologies tried to take control of Labour it ended with them being kicked out e.g. that knobhead Ricky Hatton
this time they have actually managed to do it. No thought to what the country wants or what is best for the country,think it has gone to far this time can only see a split coming now.
 
Sitting on the floor of an empty train..............

Proved a point, he is a complete tool, I hoped above hope he was just a normal bloke but the reality is he is an idealistic idiot.

 
Is there nothing this man won't do for attention?

Farage to speak at a Trump rally.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37177938
 
Trump and Farage what could go wrong.

I wonder if Nige is trying to get on the chat circuit like Tony Blaire did to make a few dollars whilst he has the chance.
 
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