The Politics Thread
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OnMeHeadFred
Vital Reserves Team
Wouldn't it be thrilling if the Chancellor had the guts to mention Hayek, von Mises and Rothbard, rather than treat us all like children in need of a reassuring fairytale.
We might take him seriously then.
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Villan Of The North
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Perhaps he would if a)he thought it was relevant b)his audience, the general public, would have a clue what he was talking about c)he wanted to turn the UK into the 51st state of America.
OnMeHeadFred
Vital Reserves Team
I would go for b.
I wouldn't go so far as to claim that most Lefties can explain Marx's labour theory of value but when it comes to explaining Tory philosophy your average Tory voter hasn't got a clue.
It is sad to say.
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Villan Of The North
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This single post sums up, for me, your postings on all things political, at least what I have read. You are polarising the issues when in reality all UK main stream parties lie very much in the middle ground between these two philosophies. Labour are not Marxists and Conservative are not classical liberals. In fact the only countries that can claim to be genuinely classically liberal are 3rd world countries who lack the infrastructure to be anything else. Although the USA are making a good attempt at it with their healthcare system and banking regulation (or lack there of) but the UK and indeed all of the so called right wing Europeans in today's Europe are no where near.
OnMeHeadFred
Vital Reserves Team
All I was saying was that I have met a lot of Lefties in my time who understood the fundamentals of Socialism but I have never met a Tory voter who could explain Adam Smith, or monetarism.
Tory voters just drone on about immigrants and that there are too many scroungers etc etc.
mike_field
Vital Football Legend
No, that would be UKIP and Gordon Brown. :14:
Anybody who thinks socialism and Marxist is a viability, clearly sees themselves as the organisers of that particular political viewpoint and just like Socialist Russia, stands as reason why that could never be a reality.
It's democracy with out a vote and a big fat union leader eating steak whilst his members survive with candles to cook.
Really not worth the effort, shame I didn't read this thread first.
Anybody who thinks socialism and Marxist is a viability, clearly sees themselves as the organisers of that particular political viewpoint and just like Socialist Russia, stands as reason why that could never be a reality.
It's democracy with out a vote and a big fat union leader eating steak whilst his members survive with candles to cook.
Really not worth the effort, shame I didn't read this thread first.
mike_field
Vital Football Legend
Boom and Bust :4:
You left our Keynes, and I'm sure the Bibliography can give you a few more.
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Villan Of The North
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Well now you've met one :14:
OnMeHeadFred
Vital Reserves Team
Who chooses to live in a country which with a combination of a generous welfare state and capitalism sits in 1st place in the international Human Development Index, while the UK languishes back in 26th.
So a very wise man indeed.
:14:
OnMeHeadFred
Vital Reserves Team
It does seem a very strange story for the Mail to print and even stranger that they reprinted it in the face of objection.
There is just too much of a hint of a belief in the writings of Kevin Macdonald in the article, that Jewish culture and belief systems are an evolutionary strategy to out-compete the gentiles (blah, blah, blah), which includes a hatred of the culture of their host nations.
So basically they are saying that as Ralph Milliband was a Jew and Ed Milliband is a Jew, he has inherited his father's Jewish socialist beliefs and is therefore not fit to be Prime Minister.
I suppose for a paper which was virtually the London issue of Der Stürmer in the 1930s, a decade after Hitler had published his Nazi blueprint, we can't be surprised by their beliefs but if we are to stick to our Voltairian notions of free-speech we have to show the tolerance towards the Mail, it seems reluctant to offer anyone else.
Wurzel
Vital Football Legend
Well I missed Mr Cameron's speech due to work, but watching the BBC News coverage ( yes I know, hardly impartial) they seem underwhelmed. No give aways, just the same old message. Maybe this was deliberate as the election is two years away but IMO they need a total rethink of their strategy. They need to challenge this nasty party label, and they need to appeal much more broadly if they really want to win outright an election. there is no chance of an election win on their current path.
