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LockdownLife

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What're your thoughts on the article below? I'm generally biased as I chose not to go to uni so can't stand the self-righteousness that comes from parts that did. It would be good to hear from others.

I don't really understand what they're complaining about? For starters they entered into a rental contract but also I can't see how they're any worse off. They're still getting their grants and loans - I don't suppose they'd be giving the money back if they didn't have to pay the rent.

I know it's annoying paying for something you're not using, and it's a kick in the teeth for those that had issues earlier in the year, but it's the real world in a very unusual circumstance and they're not 'in the hole' from it. I'm haemorrhaging cash from this all but I'm not refusing to pay rent and moving back in with my parents for free.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52221001
 
I can see the side of the Students on this one. They can't attend their university but are still being asked to pay for the rooms they would rent if they were.

Root of the problem is when everything is in private ownership. The private landlords are a business that needs an income to service the mortgages they took out to build the student flats. They still need the income from the students to fund that.

I guess this what happens when all "services" are farmed out to the private sector, everyone still needs to make a profit which means someone somewhere still has to pay.

Harsh on the students though who normally struggle to pay. My daughters boyfriend rents a private house while at university and he still has to pay the private landlord even though hes moved back here while this is all on. Fortunately he's been furloughed so not the end of the world
 
Yup, this is the problem when the private sector have to help out. If this was uni property, I expect that they would be able to reduce the rent down quite significantly.
 
Devil's advocate. Students leave with mega loans in most cases and there are a couple of factors not mentioned. At least one of these cases involved a landlord, who had alraedy announced that the accomodation would not be finished/available. Most last year students have been robbed of their final days and goodbyes and there had been several weeks of strikes by teaching staff immediately prior to that. They have to pay for all of that time too. Many students were far from home when the situation got nasty, some were turfed out some had nowhere to go.
 
I can absolutely see why it's annoying. But they aren't out of pocket ie. they'd have spent that money anyway. If the student loan schemes weren't paying the out then I'd get it, but they are. It sucks, but it sucks for all of us. Jobs rely on that rental income.

The properties could charge much more and give the people PAYG contracts but the cost will be significantly higher. The same reason you can employ someone for less than the rate of a self employed worker.
 
Beyond questionable to charge rent for a property that would be unoccupiable even outside the lockdown.

Meanwhile some large private school groups, technically charities, are furloughing staff and still demanding 90% of fees.
 
markinkent said:
I can see the side of the Students on this one. They can't attend their university but are still being asked to pay for the rooms they would rent if they were.

Root of the problem is when everything is in private ownership. The private landlords are a business that needs an income to service the mortgages they took out to build the student flats. They still need the income from the students to fund that.

I guess this what happens when all "services" are farmed out to the private sector, everyone still needs to make a profit which means someone somewhere still has to pay.
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My son is at Uni. - or rather not, so I 'get' it.
But sorry but I have a problem with the apparent dig at the 'private sector'.

Any accommodation is built at a cost.
If the rooms were owned by the Uni. or by a Govt. agency, 'someone' borrowed the capital and is paying interest.
So surely the occupiers should be the main source of repayment ?

So even with mortgage repayment deferral, money will still be owed.
Yes, Covid absence sucks, and the blow should be softened.

But it seems far more likely that it is the private sector taking a Covid pay cut - and struggling with mortgage repayments.

And the millions working in private sector who will pay (mostly) for the £ xx billions of Covid support.
 
There is some sort of myth that students get big loans that goes on drink and having a good time. Take out course fees and accommodation and they have to rely on part-time work or mum and dad. Did the universities carry on providing education when the pandemic hit? No, it took some time to get into remote teaching but fees weren't reduced. So many businesses have taken a hit but these landlords don't seem prepared to.

The students have some valid points as do some who have posted on here.

Getting a degree is a huge achievement and successive Govs have made it even harder. Our futures depend on a flow students into society and yet for some there is no connection.
 
I fear for all in full time education at present. If they are able to start again in September with no additional fees then they only lose the money. If they lose the months education regardless of if we are talking kids or students in most cases they lose it for ever .No point in made up grades if the education isn't there. Knowledge is the important thing not the grade or if it isn't it should be.
 
Wayne.Kerr said:
And millions who work in the public sector, including medical and frontline staff won't be paying?
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You collectivists just don't get it do you.

Without a thriving, productive private sector, there is no public sector.

The alternative you seemto advocate appears to be one where everyone is a servant to the state, where 'profit' is a dirty word and all income is merely recycled through various arms of government...
...working exactly to the 'rules', with no incentive to work harder - or better.

No one is allowed to earn more ..... unless they qualify as an 'approved person'.

The problem with attacking 'inequality of outcome' is that independent thought and action is shut down.
There is nothing 'liberal' about collectivism or socialism.
 
Tarian said:
You collectivists just don't get it do you.

Without a thriving, productive private sector, there is no public sector.

The alternative you seemto advocate appears to be one where everyone is a servant to the state, where 'profit' is a dirty word and all income is merely recycled through various arms of government...
...working exactly to the 'rules', with no incentive to work harder - or better.

No one is allowed to earn more ..... unless they qualify as an 'approved person'.

The problem with attacking 'inequality of outcome' is that independent thought and action is shut down.
There is nothing 'liberal' about collectivism or socialism.
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Thats why nearly all societies are a mixture or are you of the opinion that there is never a place for any government involvement at all?
 
Tarian said:
You collectivists just don't get it do you.

Without a thriving, productive private sector, there is no public sector.

The alternative you seemto advocate appears to be one where everyone is a servant to the state, where 'profit' is a dirty word and all income is merely recycled through various arms of government...
...working exactly to the 'rules', with no incentive to work harder - or better.

No one is allowed to earn more ..... unless they qualify as an 'approved person'.

The problem with attacking 'inequality of outcome' is that independent thought and action is shut down.
There is nothing 'liberal' about collectivism or socialism.
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FUCK OFF
 
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