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This is worrisome and worth your time to read:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/president-bannon.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

Plenty of presidents have had prominent political advisers, and some of those advisers have been suspected of quietly setting policy behind the scenes (recall Karl Rove or, if your memory stretches back far enough, Dick Morris). But we’ve never witnessed a political aide move as brazenly to consolidate power as Stephen Bannon — nor have we seen one do quite so much damage so quickly to his putative boss’s popular standing or pretenses of competence.

Mr. Bannon supercharged Breitbart News as a platform for inciting the alt-right, did the same with the Trump campaign and is now repeating the act with the Trump White House itself. That was perhaps to be expected, though the speed with which President Trump has moved to alienate Mexicans (by declaring they would pay for a border wall), Jews (by disregarding their unique experience of the Holocaust) and Muslims (the ban) has been impressive. Mr. Trump never showed much inclination to reach beyond the minority base of voters that delivered his Electoral College victory, and Mr. Bannon, whose fingerprints were on each of those initiatives, is helping make sure he doesn’t.

But a new executive order, politicizing the process for national security decisions, suggests Mr. Bannon is positioning himself not merely as a Svengali but as the de facto president.

In that new order, issued on Saturday, Mr. Trump took the unprecedented step of naming Mr. Bannon to the National Security Council, along with the secretaries of state and defense and certain other top officials. President George W. Bush’s last chief of staff, Joshua Bolten, was so concerned about separating politics from national security that he barred Mr. Rove, Mr. Bush’s political adviser, from N.S.C. meetings. To the annoyance of experienced foreign policy aides, David Axelrod, President Barack Obama’s political adviser, sat in on some N.S.C. meetings, but he was not a permanent member of the council.

More telling still, Mr. Trump appointed Mr. Bannon to the N.S.C. “principals’ committee,” which includes most of those same top officials and meets far more frequently. At the same time, President Trump downgraded two senior national security officials — the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, a role now held by Gen. Joseph Dunford Jr., and the director of national intelligence, the job that Dan Coats, a former member of the Senate Intelligence Committee and former ambassador to Germany, has been nominated to fill.
All this may seem like boring bureaucratic chart-making, but who sits at the National Security Council table when the administration debates issues of war and peace can make a real difference in decisions. In giving Mr. Bannon an official role in national security policy making, Mr. Trump has not simply broken with tradition but has embraced the risk of politicizing national security, or giving the impression of doing so.
Mr. Trump’s order says that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs and the director of national intelligence will attend the principals’ committee meetings only “where issues pertaining to their responsibilities and expertise are to be discussed.” Could there be any national security discussions when input from the intelligence agencies and the military will not be required? People in those jobs are often the ones to tell presidents hard truths, even when they are unwelcome.

As his first week in office amply demonstrated, Mr. Trump has no grounding in national security decision making, no sophistication in governance and little apparent grasp of what it takes to lead a great diverse nation. He needs to hear from experienced officials, like General Dunford. But Mr. Bannon has positioned himself, along with Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, as the president’s most trusted aide, shutting out other voices that might offer alternative views. He is now reportedly eclipsing the national security adviser, retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn.

While Mr. Trump long ago embraced Mr. Bannon’s politics, he would be wise to reconsider allowing him to run his White House, particularly after the fiasco over the weekend of the risible Muslim ban. Mr. Bannon helped push that order through without consulting Mr. Trump’s own experts at the Department of Homeland Security or even seeking deliberation by the N.S.C. itself. The administration’s subsequent modifications, the courtroom reversals and the international furor have made the president look not bold and decisive but simply incompetent.

As a candidate, Mr. Trump was immensely gratified by the applause at his rallies for Mr. Bannon’s jingoism. Yet now casually weaponized in executive orders, those same ideas are alienating American allies and damaging the presidency.

Presidents are entitled to pick their advisers. But Mr. Trump’s first spasms of policy making have supplied ample evidence that he needs advisers who can think strategically and weigh second- and third-order consequences beyond the immediate domestic political effects. Imagine tomorrow if Mr. Trump is faced with a crisis involving China in the South China Sea or Russia in Ukraine. Will he look to his chief political provocateur, Mr. Bannon, with his penchant for blowing things up, or will he turn at last for counsel to the few more thoughtful experienced hands in his administration, like Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and General Dunford?
 
I really don't find it anymore concerning than the fact that Trump is president.

He flagged openly what he would do when President, and he's doing it.

In time, that might change.

As of now the people that got him to be President are bound to be the one's he trusts - he personally (unlike most POTUS's in the modern era) hasn't help high political office, had almost nothing to do with the party machinery and s to some extent is now operating in splendid isolation.

11 Arab countries have name Iran as the no.1 supporter and founder of terrorism (still); the suspension of travel privileges for 90 days is to allow Homeland to look at depth at what's been done so far and what should be done in the future, it's also those countries as they refused to share passenger details and data with the US.

Iran is a funder and supporter of terrorism, it also has now broken the treaty over it's nuclear ambitions by firing a test ballistic missile (under the agreement, it was supposed not to do so for 8 years) - sorry, i wouldn't and don't trust the Iranian regime.

Afraid American liberals are going to have to accept that for the next 4 years, they're not in control.

Trump's many things I dislike, but he's nobodies fool.
 
For some time I have been wanting somebody to take the hard line with terrorism and it's roots. Let's see how it works. Perhaps others will follow suit if it does.
 
Nick Real Deal - 3/2/2017 16:32

For some time I have been wanting somebody to take the hard line with terrorism and it's roots. Let's see how it works. Perhaps others will follow suit if it does.

Well the number1. sponsor and funding of terrorism in the World is Iran, and sanctions were hurting them badly, but Obama led the charge to end them, and in return got literally nothing.

Indirectly, with their funding, support, training and arming of the Taliban, the Shia militia's, their tactic support of Al Queda, the sect in Yemen, better known now by their once spiritual leader 'The Houthi' they are responsible for the deaths of more British and American soldiers than anyone other organisation.

They are still a pariah state; Trump is right, it was a very bad deal.

https://www.clarionproject.org/sites/default/files/Iranian-Support-For-Terrorism.pdf
 
History will note that Trump has been a tactical-gift to the Chinese and Russians... in the words of the maestro himself :-

...'its gonna be great folks, its gonna be beautiful''...

<purses lips together, draws fore-finger and thumb into the letter 'O'>
 
Trump prefers to set up crucial meetings in his private club Mar-a-Lago than actually going to the "Situation Room". Alarming

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/donald-trump-shinzo-abe-north-korea-documents/

and he's spent almost the same amout of taxpayers money in those 3 visits as Obama did in a whole year.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-latest-weekend-holiday-mar-a-lago-florida-resort-us-taxpayer-3-million-week-trump-tower-a7589456.html

not that HE ever paid any tax did he?
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

Fake news? alternative facts? He's claimed his win was the biggest since Reagan - when told by a journalist he was wrong, he just said " I was just given that information", like that let's him off the hook for presenting ALTERNATIVE FACTS. What other misinformation has a he swallowed and perpetuated? He has the gall to accuse other of fake news?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-news-electoral-college-ronald-reagan-biggest-win-claim-a7584481.html

And the worst, and what we should all be worried about, is his tendancy to get journalists asking him difficult questions (i.e. holding him to account) thrown out of press conferences. that is a true dictator right there. scary stuff. disagree with him and your out.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/01/footage-emerges-of-trump-aide-telling-journalist-get-out-of-my-country-6420534/


This will hopefully just be a 4 year long dark period before a suitable candidate reverses all of his insane nonsense such as his Mulsim ban.

Oh by the way - about that - Toddlers with guns have killed more Americans than Muslim Terrorists. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/14/people-are-getting-shot-by-toddlers-on-a-weekly-basis-this-year/?utm_term=.bf9a12798e6e

maybe he should ban toddlers too?






 
From my post earlier in this thread;

" I don't like Trump, he strikes me as too much show and not enough substance, he comes across as probably being the least intelligent President of the US in living memory. "

Read more: http://www.spurs.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=41794&start=273#ixzz4ZFZpdO6s


I stand by that view as he is now proving it beyond any reasonable doubt. :21:
 
only *now* he is proving how unfit he is for the Presidency?

he has been like he is his whole life - anyone could see this coming a mile off. bragging about grabbing vaginas, calling mexicans rapists and and a mexican judge unable to do his job.....because he was mexican (and then asking Mexico to pay for a wall!).

it surely can't only be now you have realised this?
 
Spurfect11 - 22/2/2017 10:01

only *now* he is proving how unfit he is for the Presidency?

he has been like he is his whole life - anyone could see this coming a mile off. bragging about grabbing vaginas, calling mexicans rapists and and a mexican judge unable to do his job.....because he was mexican (and then asking Mexico to pay for a wall!).

it surely can't only be now you have realised this?

Before it was supposition, 'now' we have an evidentiary base...

By the way, don't forget that one of the key democratic architects of the 'wall' with Mexico was Obama., and he was so because the crime levels just across the border and the ease with which convicted criminals can get across to the US (with corrupt Mexican officials aid) is well-documented and Obama believed the US had no choice and even wanted Mexico to pay towards tightening the border...

The difference in their position really isn't as big as some would have you believe - especially as the President that kicked this hole strategic policy with Mexico was President Clinton....in his state of the union speech to congress...
 
Spurfect11 - 22/2/2017 10:01

only *now* he is proving how unfit he is for the Presidency?

he has been like he is his whole life - anyone could see this coming a mile off. bragging about grabbing vaginas, calling mexicans rapists and and a mexican judge unable to do his job.....because he was mexican (and then asking Mexico to pay for a wall!).

it surely can't only be now you have realised this?

Fantastic to see you back!!
 
80deg16minW - 22/2/2017 10:07

Spurfect11 - 22/2/2017 10:01

only *now* he is proving how unfit he is for the Presidency?

he has been like he is his whole life - anyone could see this coming a mile off. bragging about grabbing vaginas, calling mexicans rapists and and a mexican judge unable to do his job.....because he was mexican (and then asking Mexico to pay for a wall!).

it surely can't only be now you have realised this?

Fantastic to see you back!!

Thanks 80 - have recently made the jump from one kid to two, and it makes a hell of difference. a nice promotion in work, but yes much busier so won't be on here as much but can drop in now and again.
 
Spurfect11 - 22/2/2017 10:12

80deg16minW - 22/2/2017 10:07

Spurfect11 - 22/2/2017 10:01

only *now* he is proving how unfit he is for the Presidency?

he has been like he is his whole life - anyone could see this coming a mile off. bragging about grabbing vaginas, calling mexicans rapists and and a mexican judge unable to do his job.....because he was mexican (and then asking Mexico to pay for a wall!).

it surely can't only be now you have realised this?

Fantastic to see you back!!

Thanks 80 - have recently made the jump from one kid to two, and it makes a hell of difference. a nice promotion in work, but yes much busier so won't be on here as much but can drop in now and again.

Congratulstuons on both!

I think you should have four children.
 
Andrew Coyne: Defiant anti-Trump message in Freeland’s speech is clear — and radical

Andrew Coyne | June 7, 2017 8:31 PM ET

Chrystia Freeland says foreign policy is ‘made in Canada’

It is the context, not the content of Chrystia Freeland’s speech to Parliament Tuesday that makes it radical.

In any other context but the present, the foreign policy the minister laid out, in what was clearly intended to be taken as a Major Statement, would be regarded mostly as an anodyne recitation of liberal/Liberal nostrums: multilateralism, a rules-based international order, free trade, all laced with the usual “the world needs more Canada” self-congratulation and moral preening.

Indeed, by tying foreign policy to “upholding progressive Canadian values,” the minister was able to repackage every other Liberal chestnut — multiculturalism, feminism, bilingualism — as an emanation, not of that party’s particular brand of clientelism, but of Canada itself. Again, pretty much par for the course.

To be sure, the speech’s assertion of the irreplaceable role of “hard power,” its clear-eyed endorsement of the “principled use of force,” where necessary, as part of our foreign policy, its stress on “pulling our weight” and “doing our fair share” in international military councils, rather than accepting the “client state” status implied by relying solely on the U.S. to defend us, are not the sorts of notes we have been accustomed to hearing from Liberal ministers. But I would suppose they sound like common sense to most Canadians.

It is the times we live in, rather, that made the speech of note. In an age in which virtually every one of the institutions and assumptions of the postwar international order are under strain, if not under attack, the mere assertion of their enduring worth, together with a determination to work with others in their defence, can be made to sound like a radical departure.


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And while the minister listed several challenges to that order — “Russian military adventurism,” ISIL terrorism, the rise of China and the South as counterweights to the Western powers, and the “crisis of confidence” in globalization among the West’s electorates — her primary concern was unmistakable: the abdication of American leadership, under a president she declined to name.

The minister was right not to make it personal, or to imply that Donald Trump was somehow sui generis: he was, after all, elected, by millions of voters who were “animated in part by a desire to shrug off the burden of world leadership.” So, too, she was right to acknowledge the reality of that burden, the vastly disproportionate contribution of the United States, “in blood, in treasure, in strategic vision.”

But there was no sugar-coating the message: if the United States was unwilling to lead, its erstwhile allies would have to pick up the slack, Canada included. With America having “come to question the very worth of its mantle of global leadership,” she said, the task now was “for the rest of us to set our own clear and sovereign course.” For Canada’s part, it would seek to play “an active role in the preservation and strengthening of the global order.”

Indeed, though she did not say so, the task is much more than that: not just to repair the gap in the international order left by the departing Americans, but to repel Trump’s attacks on it. Whether refusing to endorse Article Five of the NATO treaty — the collective defence clause at the heart of the alliance — or threatening to tear up NAFTA, or encouraging the breakup of the European Union, or pulling out of the Paris climate agreement, Trump is in some ways a more significant challenge to the West than Russia or China. We do not, after all, expect the threat to come from within.

Still, for the Canadian government to so publicly signal a break with the U.S. administration, however gently, regretfully, or temporarily (“with open hands and open hearts extended to our American friends”), is breathtaking. Coming on the heels of similar comments from Germany’s Angela Merkel, and the exasperated, even mocking reports of Trump’s performance at the recent G7 meeting, it suggests the appeasement phase of international diplomacy vis-a-vis Trump, in which world leaders, our own among them, competed to court his favour, is over. The containment phase has begun.

THE CANADIAN PRESS/Sean Kilpatrick
THE CANADIAN PRESS/Sean KilpatrickMinister of Foreign Affairs Chrystia Freeland delivers a speech in the House of Commons on Canada's Foreign Policy on June 6, 2017.
The question is, why now? What’s changed? It is surely not coincidental that this external common front should have emerged just as Trump’s internal woes have multiplied. His legislative agenda, such as it is, stalled; hundreds of senior offices unfilled; cabinet officers directly contradicting his own statements; multiple investigations into his associates’ dealings with the Putin regime, and his efforts to suppress those investigations, closing in; and most seriously of all, a plummeting popular approval rating, to levels never seen so early in a presidency: the signs of Trump’s growing weakness are everywhere.

I don’t think we’d see this sort of insubordination if Trump were polling in the 60s. As it is, Trump’s opponents, domestic and foreign, have been emboldened. Indeed, Freeland’s speech contained an extraordinary pledge: to work directly with Trump’s critics, “at all levels of government and with partners in business, labour and civil society,” to circumvent his administration’s opposition to action on climate change.

I don’t want to overstate this. It’s worth noting that the promised “substantial investment” in military capacity, fleshed out in the following day’s defence policy review, fits neatly with Trump’s demands for NATO partners to ante up more. A cynic might say the minister’s statement had the virtue of dressing up compliance as defiance.

Still, there is no doubting the change of tone, if not direction. For the time being, at least, the world is prepared to get along without America.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/andrew-coyne-defiant-anti-trump-message-in-freelands-speech-is-crystal-clear-and-radical
 
Comey looks to be a man with a mission. Very interesting viewing to see the Senate questioning him.

To be fired in a such a way on the grounds of incompetence and loss of confidence is very strange. Especially after Trump telling him he was doing a good job.
 
If it is proved Trump attempted to pervert the course of justice it's an impeachable offence.

If he asked Comey to let the Flynn investigation go. Then ask for loyalty from Comey it could infer an attempt to influence Comey's decisions.

Comey seems to be very highly regarded and respected in high circles.
 
The American people have had enough. That is extremely encouraging.